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Good. Because if you do by any chance you will spend many, many years in prison. You like that part too, right?

gd1 12y ago
I don't think he cares, because as he says, he's not about to accept a job offer for $1.15 million at a rival firm then copy encrypted code out before he leaves.
melling 12y ago
The guy was making $400k/year and taking his software to another firm where he was going to make well over $1m a year. Perhaps there was a good reason the company was so aggressive?
- byEngineer 12y ago
  of course, great! Go work for them! Some people just love to be treated badly and that's why companies like GS still exist. Why to be treated nice and have higher salary when you can be treated like shit, earn 90k in NYC and end up in jail for many years for copying files around. Just join them!
  - melling 12y ago
    When you take something that's not yours, it's called stealing, and this will get you in trouble with many companies. A good company will not want you to bring your code because they might be libel. For example, Netscape had to rewrite their browser when UIUC threatened to sue them for using the Mosaic code. It's not just a Wall Street issue.
    - dreamweapon 12y ago
      Except that Goldman didn't just "threaten to sue" Alyenikov. They called their pals down at the prosecutor's office, fed them a profusely exaggerated description of what he did -- and had him thrown in jail.
- dreamweapon 12y ago
  The guy was ... taking his software to another firm where he was going to make well over $1m a year. That's the takeaway Goldman would like you to have -- that he was "making off with the crown jewels." Unfortunately, it was basically a concoction: turns out the code he took was quite innocuous, and offered no special business advantage. Yet out of either incompetence or vindictiveness, Goldman proffered the line that he had taken the "crown jewels". And that he should be hauled to jail, and have his reputation ruined and his marriage destroyed for it.
  - melling 12y ago
    I don't know the importance of the code he stole. Can you post links? You're just providing your opinion. All I know for sure is that a very smart programmer who worked at a firm where he knew his systems were monitored, felt the need to take the code with him to his next job. He did try to cover his tracks, right? Seems like a lot of effort and risk for "innocuous code".
    - dreamweapon 12y ago
      You're just providing your opinion. Umm, no. It was the opinion of the court that ordered his conviction reversed, as well as of the court that rejected the appeal to have his charged re-tried. From WP: On June 20, 2014, upon reviewing the evidence, Justice Ronald Zweibel published a 71-page opinion in which the court ruled that F.B.I. “did not have probable cause to arrest defendant, let alone search him or his home.” The arrest was “illegal,” and Mr. Aleynikov’s “Fourth Amendment rights were violated as a result of a mistake of law.” Really now -- it's not too hard to find information about important events (before simply making up facts about them), these days. You should give it a try sometime.
      - icebraining 12y ago
        That says nothing about the importance of the code. The arrest was illegal because the FBI didn't follow proper procedures (getting warrants, etc), not because of his innocence or lack of thereof, which wasn't decided upon.

gd1 12y ago

I don't think he cares, because as he says, he's not about to accept a job offer for $1.15 million at a rival firm then copy encrypted code out before he leaves.

melling 12y ago

The guy was making $400k/year and taking his software to another firm where he was going to make well over $1m a year. Perhaps there was a good reason the company was so aggressive?

byEngineer 12y ago
of course, great! Go work for them! Some people just love to be treated badly and that's why companies like GS still exist. Why to be treated nice and have higher salary when you can be treated like shit, earn 90k in NYC and end up in jail for many years for copying files around. Just join them!
- melling 12y ago
  When you take something that's not yours, it's called stealing, and this will get you in trouble with many companies. A good company will not want you to bring your code because they might be libel. For example, Netscape had to rewrite their browser when UIUC threatened to sue them for using the Mosaic code. It's not just a Wall Street issue.
  - dreamweapon 12y ago
    Except that Goldman didn't just "threaten to sue" Alyenikov. They called their pals down at the prosecutor's office, fed them a profusely exaggerated description of what he did -- and had him thrown in jail.
dreamweapon 12y ago
The guy was ... taking his software to another firm where he was going to make well over $1m a year. That's the takeaway Goldman would like you to have -- that he was "making off with the crown jewels." Unfortunately, it was basically a concoction: turns out the code he took was quite innocuous, and offered no special business advantage. Yet out of either incompetence or vindictiveness, Goldman proffered the line that he had taken the "crown jewels". And that he should be hauled to jail, and have his reputation ruined and his marriage destroyed for it.
- melling 12y ago
  I don't know the importance of the code he stole. Can you post links? You're just providing your opinion. All I know for sure is that a very smart programmer who worked at a firm where he knew his systems were monitored, felt the need to take the code with him to his next job. He did try to cover his tracks, right? Seems like a lot of effort and risk for "innocuous code".
  - dreamweapon 12y ago
    You're just providing your opinion. Umm, no. It was the opinion of the court that ordered his conviction reversed, as well as of the court that rejected the appeal to have his charged re-tried. From WP: On June 20, 2014, upon reviewing the evidence, Justice Ronald Zweibel published a 71-page opinion in which the court ruled that F.B.I. “did not have probable cause to arrest defendant, let alone search him or his home.” The arrest was “illegal,” and Mr. Aleynikov’s “Fourth Amendment rights were violated as a result of a mistake of law.” Really now -- it's not too hard to find information about important events (before simply making up facts about them), these days. You should give it a try sometime.
    - icebraining 12y ago
      That says nothing about the importance of the code. The arrest was illegal because the FBI didn't follow proper procedures (getting warrants, etc), not because of his innocence or lack of thereof, which wasn't decided upon.