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What happens if someone went on CNN/whatever and just went "so we got this NSL..." Guantanamo? I'm a bit surprised someone hasn't simply opened their mouths.

What happens if someone went on CNN/whatever and just went "so we got this NSL..." Guantanamo? I'm a bit surprised someone hasn't simply opened their mouths. I applaud the EFF and everyone fighting this fight. Money is free speech but you can't talk about super-aggressive and highly-invasive (probably unconstitutional) NSLs even to say you got one. So utterly bizarre and disheartening. Although maybe disenfranchisement is half of the point.

mkal_tsr 12y ago
The EFF is doing important work. I hope everyone has either donated to them or switched their smile.amazon.com over to EFF. Or at least for the software/hardware people on HN.
- joshstrange 12y ago
  I didn't know you could do this (I thought there were only a few handpicked charities). If you want to make a similar change your smile charity go here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/charity/change.html?ie=UTF8&ref_=ya_pldn#q=Electronic+Frontier+Foundation+Inc&page=1&ref=smi_se_cycsr_srch_sr&orig= https://smile.amazon.com/gp/charity/change.html?ie=UTF8&ref_... Then install the "Smile Always" plugin to redirect you to smile: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smile-always/jgpmhnmjbhgkhpbgelalfpplebgfjmbf?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smile-always/jgpmh... (The offical amazon one doesn't auto redirect AFAICT)
Karunamon 12y ago
Guantanamo, no. Ugly and protracted legal battle against an adversary that would like nothing better to make an example out of you, yes.
- toomuchtodo 12y ago
  "How do you feel about living in Russia for a bit?"
MagicWishMonkey 12y ago
You would likely go to federal prison, you would not be given a fair trial (a judge would sentence you in a secret court). The only reason Ladar Levison (the Lavabit guy) is a free man right now is because the guardian picked up his story before the FBI could toss his ass in a black SUV. He got lucky.
- rayiner 12y ago
  Source on secret court is handing out jail sentences? The whole "secret court" thing is FUD. The FISA "secret court" was created by law to insert itself into a process that didn't require a court proceeding in the first place. It's not empowered to adjudicate peoples' rights and obligations.
  - jgeorge 12y ago
    I still don't think I'd like to be the person to test that.
    - kabdib 12y ago
      See? The system works! /snark
  - talmand 12y ago
    No source on handing out jail sentences, but I would bet you would get one if you defied it since you would be defying the law. Which would be when someone from the Justice Department would knock on your door. I would agree it's not quite the same thing. As for "secret court" that you put in "scary" quotes. Just to be sure, no one says secret as in no one knows it exists, but that the public is not allowed to know what it does. Which is not FUD, some of us see that as a clear problem.
    - rayiner 12y ago
      It is definitely FUD to say "a judge would sentence you in a secret court." And we know what the FISA court does--it reviews requests by intelligence agencies to engage in foreign surveillance, as provided for by the FISA Amendments Act. It does not put people in jail. The biggest misunderstanding about the FISA court, a misunderstanding rooted in FUD, is that it has the powers of an ordinary court and uses them in secret. But unlike a regular federal court, a FISA court cannot adjudicate your rights and obligations. What Congress did by creating the FISA court was to insert the judicial branch into a process, foreign surveillance, that, Constitutionally, does not require judicial branch involvement. Its proceedings can be secret only because it does not exercise the normal power of the judicial branch to determine peoples' legal rights.
Cieplak 12y ago
The court would likely charge you with contempt. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/19/child-services-files-contempt-charges-against-father-who-broke-gag-order-to-tell-story-of-daughter-kept-in-hospital-against-parents-will-source/ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/19/child-services-fi...
higherpurpose 12y ago
I'm still angry at Marissa Mayer for saying that if she could go to prison over something like this. That's just not something I would expect a CEO of such a major corporation to say. FFS, US is not China (yet). She shouldn't put fear into everyone's hearts with that kind of statement, especially since I believe it was mostly baseless.
- rayiner 12y ago
  A CEO can go to prison for selling stock at the wrong time...
- discardorama 12y ago
  Have you heard of Joe Naccio? http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_25434854/former-qwest-ceo-nacchio-claims-tv-his-jail http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_25434854/former-qwest-...

mkal_tsr 12y ago

The EFF is doing important work. I hope everyone has either donated to them or switched their smile.amazon.com over to EFF. Or at least for the software/hardware people on HN.

joshstrange 12y ago
I didn't know you could do this (I thought there were only a few handpicked charities). If you want to make a similar change your smile charity go here: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/charity/change.html?ie=UTF8&ref_=ya_pldn#q=Electronic+Frontier+Foundation+Inc&page=1&ref=smi_se_cycsr_srch_sr&orig= https://smile.amazon.com/gp/charity/change.html?ie=UTF8&ref_... Then install the "Smile Always" plugin to redirect you to smile: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smile-always/jgpmhnmjbhgkhpbgelalfpplebgfjmbf?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/smile-always/jgpmh... (The offical amazon one doesn't auto redirect AFAICT)

Karunamon 12y ago

Guantanamo, no. Ugly and protracted legal battle against an adversary that would like nothing better to make an example out of you, yes.

toomuchtodo 12y ago
"How do you feel about living in Russia for a bit?"

MagicWishMonkey 12y ago

You would likely go to federal prison, you would not be given a fair trial (a judge would sentence you in a secret court). The only reason Ladar Levison (the Lavabit guy) is a free man right now is because the guardian picked up his story before the FBI could toss his ass in a black SUV. He got lucky.

rayiner 12y ago
Source on secret court is handing out jail sentences? The whole "secret court" thing is FUD. The FISA "secret court" was created by law to insert itself into a process that didn't require a court proceeding in the first place. It's not empowered to adjudicate peoples' rights and obligations.
- jgeorge 12y ago
  I still don't think I'd like to be the person to test that.
  - kabdib 12y ago
    See? The system works! /snark
- talmand 12y ago
  No source on handing out jail sentences, but I would bet you would get one if you defied it since you would be defying the law. Which would be when someone from the Justice Department would knock on your door. I would agree it's not quite the same thing. As for "secret court" that you put in "scary" quotes. Just to be sure, no one says secret as in no one knows it exists, but that the public is not allowed to know what it does. Which is not FUD, some of us see that as a clear problem.
  - rayiner 12y ago
    It is definitely FUD to say "a judge would sentence you in a secret court." And we know what the FISA court does--it reviews requests by intelligence agencies to engage in foreign surveillance, as provided for by the FISA Amendments Act. It does not put people in jail. The biggest misunderstanding about the FISA court, a misunderstanding rooted in FUD, is that it has the powers of an ordinary court and uses them in secret. But unlike a regular federal court, a FISA court cannot adjudicate your rights and obligations. What Congress did by creating the FISA court was to insert the judicial branch into a process, foreign surveillance, that, Constitutionally, does not require judicial branch involvement. Its proceedings can be secret only because it does not exercise the normal power of the judicial branch to determine peoples' legal rights.

Cieplak 12y ago

The court would likely charge you with contempt. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/19/child-services-files-contempt-charges-against-father-who-broke-gag-order-to-tell-story-of-daughter-kept-in-hospital-against-parents-will-source/ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/19/child-services-fi...

higherpurpose 12y ago

I'm still angry at Marissa Mayer for saying that if she could go to prison over something like this. That's just not something I would expect a CEO of such a major corporation to say. FFS, US is not China (yet). She shouldn't put fear into everyone's hearts with that kind of statement, especially since I believe it was mostly baseless.

rayiner 12y ago
A CEO can go to prison for selling stock at the wrong time...
discardorama 12y ago
Have you heard of Joe Naccio? http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_25434854/former-qwest-ceo-nacchio-claims-tv-his-jail http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_25434854/former-qwest-...