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I really liked the "move to Daly City" idea. Millbrae also seems like it would make sense.

by rdl 12y ago

toomuchtodo 12y ago
What's the benefit of moving to Daly City vs SF proper? I'm not from the bay area, so I'm not familiar with why this would be a problem.
- rdl 12y ago
  * Rents less extortionate. ($2? vs. $4-5?) * Big floor plates available. * Better accessibility (280 and BART) vs. a lot of SF. * Less dysfunctional city government. * No city-specific taxes. I don't know the specifics of the deal. Reddit's current office space is rather...compact. So, I'll accept that "Reddit must move" is a must. Where they move, and how it's done, seems like a fun challenge for whoever comes in as CEO and for the COO. Very glad this isn't my problem -- immigration is the #1 problem, housing and housing costs #2 problem, office space maybe tied as #3 with general cost inflation, transit, and traffic.
- calbear81 12y ago
  Because the whole point of being in SF is that you can attract talent that wants to live in the heart of the city. To put this in perspective, it's like a company moving out of SoHo and going to New Jersey. It's technically not that far away but once you're out there, you're not within walking distance to everything the city has to offer (food, culture, etc.).
- chipotle_coyote 12y ago
  While I'm speculating, I'd imagine the advantage is simply that you can get more space for less money. Daly City is (in a very relative sense) inexpensive, especially given its proximity to SF. The downside is that Daly City doesn't really have anything to offer but cheaper rents; I suspect it'd be a terrible place to be stuck in for lunchtime and after-work options, nor from what I've seen would it be a terribly pleasant place to live. (That's subjective, of course.) Being in SoMa is a job perk in and of itself, given how many interesting things are within walking distance. If you're going to move out of SF there are considerably more interesting places to target that would still be within relatively quick BART or Caltrain commuting distance.
  - rdl 12y ago
    I work really near the current Reddit office. The SOMA location means: 1) Lots of good but expensive ($10-30/day, easily) lunch options. Reddit provides lunch, and most of the employees seem to eat there, so no much of a perk. 2) Shitty walk to BART -- it's 20min to BART and then the BART wait, BART trip, and whatever on the other end. BART is nice if you're within a couple minutes of a station, which basically means DT oakland, berkeley, or FiDi/market st for offices. Or Daly City! 3) Caltrain, but Caltrain confuses me; I'd always rather drive. You can do Caltrain to Millbrae and then BART, though, for Daly City. 4) 280 proximity (but, Daly City does it better). 5) Bay Bridge sort of proximity (but, 30-45 minutes to wait to get on it in the evenings 5-7pm). This is objectively a big win for Reddit's current location vs. Daly City -- people in Oakland/Berkeley who drive to work. (I do this, and aside from costing me $1k/mo pretax all-in in a paid off car, it gives me a 15min each way commute at 10a and 7p 95% of the time). 6) Utterly extortionate housing rents -- $3500++ for a studio, $4500 1BR. If you were lucky and got here years ago, it can be half that, which is still expensive in absolute terms, but based on Bay Area tech salaries sort of reasonable. Otherwise, insane. Daly City is 50-75% of that, or less, and Pacifica/other San Mateo County/Western SF areas are options. It's faster to go from Ocean Beach to Daly City by car than Ocean Beach to SoMA via Muni. 7) Obnoxiousness whenever AT&T park has an event. Parking goes from $12/day to $90/day, and crowds of roving drunken assholes take to the streets. Usually in the evenings, but baseball has day games :(
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- scelerat 12y ago
  Daly City is south and west of San Francisco. It's served by BART (the regional rail system that spans the SF bay area and runs between SFO, Oakland (and its airport), Richmond, Pittsburg (north east bay), Dublin/Pleasanton, and Fremont) and Interstate highway 280, which runs N-S between San Francisco and Silicon Valley. DC is a 25 minute BART ride for me from Oakland. I could totally envision commuting there for work. Great taquerias, easy freeway access, cheap(er) rent, fewer crowds (than downtown SF/SOMA). At the same time, any business move is disruptive and should be considered carefully.
  - x0x0 12y ago
    That's great for people from Oakland. If you live in sf, you most likely don't live near bart. So now you have to take muni to a bart station; I'd be astonished if such a commute was much less than 1 hour. Each way.
    - rdl 12y ago
      Depending on where in SF, transit (SamTrans) could actually be faster than Muni to SoMA. It really depends on where. Mission does have BART, and that's a high-density-of-hipsters area.

I really liked the "move to Daly City" idea. Millbrae also seems like it would make sense.

by rdl 12y ago

I really liked the "move to Daly City" idea. Millbrae also seems like it would make sense.

What's the benefit of moving to Daly City vs SF proper? I'm not from the bay area, so I'm not familiar with why this would be a problem.

rdl 12y ago
* Rents less extortionate. ($2? vs. $4-5?) * Big floor plates available. * Better accessibility (280 and BART) vs. a lot of SF. * Less dysfunctional city government. * No city-specific taxes. I don't know the specifics of the deal. Reddit's current office space is rather...compact. So, I'll accept that "Reddit must move" is a must. Where they move, and how it's done, seems like a fun challenge for whoever comes in as CEO and for the COO. Very glad this isn't my problem -- immigration is the #1 problem, housing and housing costs #2 problem, office space maybe tied as #3 with general cost inflation, transit, and traffic.
calbear81 12y ago
Because the whole point of being in SF is that you can attract talent that wants to live in the heart of the city. To put this in perspective, it's like a company moving out of SoHo and going to New Jersey. It's technically not that far away but once you're out there, you're not within walking distance to everything the city has to offer (food, culture, etc.).
chipotle_coyote 12y ago
While I'm speculating, I'd imagine the advantage is simply that you can get more space for less money. Daly City is (in a very relative sense) inexpensive, especially given its proximity to SF. The downside is that Daly City doesn't really have anything to offer but cheaper rents; I suspect it'd be a terrible place to be stuck in for lunchtime and after-work options, nor from what I've seen would it be a terribly pleasant place to live. (That's subjective, of course.) Being in SoMa is a job perk in and of itself, given how many interesting things are within walking distance. If you're going to move out of SF there are considerably more interesting places to target that would still be within relatively quick BART or Caltrain commuting distance.
- rdl 12y ago
  I work really near the current Reddit office. The SOMA location means: 1) Lots of good but expensive ($10-30/day, easily) lunch options. Reddit provides lunch, and most of the employees seem to eat there, so no much of a perk. 2) Shitty walk to BART -- it's 20min to BART and then the BART wait, BART trip, and whatever on the other end. BART is nice if you're within a couple minutes of a station, which basically means DT oakland, berkeley, or FiDi/market st for offices. Or Daly City! 3) Caltrain, but Caltrain confuses me; I'd always rather drive. You can do Caltrain to Millbrae and then BART, though, for Daly City. 4) 280 proximity (but, Daly City does it better). 5) Bay Bridge sort of proximity (but, 30-45 minutes to wait to get on it in the evenings 5-7pm). This is objectively a big win for Reddit's current location vs. Daly City -- people in Oakland/Berkeley who drive to work. (I do this, and aside from costing me $1k/mo pretax all-in in a paid off car, it gives me a 15min each way commute at 10a and 7p 95% of the time). 6) Utterly extortionate housing rents -- $3500++ for a studio, $4500 1BR. If you were lucky and got here years ago, it can be half that, which is still expensive in absolute terms, but based on Bay Area tech salaries sort of reasonable. Otherwise, insane. Daly City is 50-75% of that, or less, and Pacifica/other San Mateo County/Western SF areas are options. It's faster to go from Ocean Beach to Daly City by car than Ocean Beach to SoMA via Muni. 7) Obnoxiousness whenever AT&T park has an event. Parking goes from $12/day to $90/day, and crowds of roving drunken assholes take to the streets. Usually in the evenings, but baseball has day games :(
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scelerat 12y ago
Daly City is south and west of San Francisco. It's served by BART (the regional rail system that spans the SF bay area and runs between SFO, Oakland (and its airport), Richmond, Pittsburg (north east bay), Dublin/Pleasanton, and Fremont) and Interstate highway 280, which runs N-S between San Francisco and Silicon Valley. DC is a 25 minute BART ride for me from Oakland. I could totally envision commuting there for work. Great taquerias, easy freeway access, cheap(er) rent, fewer crowds (than downtown SF/SOMA). At the same time, any business move is disruptive and should be considered carefully.
- x0x0 12y ago
  That's great for people from Oakland. If you live in sf, you most likely don't live near bart. So now you have to take muni to a bart station; I'd be astonished if such a commute was much less than 1 hour. Each way.
  - rdl 12y ago
    Depending on where in SF, transit (SamTrans) could actually be faster than Muni to SoMA. It really depends on where. Mission does have BART, and that's a high-density-of-hipsters area.