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> Emacs switched the version control system from Bazaar to git yesterday If you haven't followed the drama, here's ESR's take: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/h

> Emacs switched the version control system from Bazaar to git yesterday If you haven't followed the drama, here's ESR's take: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg00005.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-01/msg00...

bitwize 12y ago
Eric also lent considerable aid and the use of his reposurgeon tool to doing the actual migration. Despite his storied rivalry with Stallman, the two actually worked together over the past 10 months to get this shit done.
nekopa 12y ago
Jesus Christ, (and I say that as a Buddhist) thanks for that rabbit hole. Thanks. I have spent 45 minutes so far on it, and it just keeps getting deeper. If I had enough karma I would downvote you for effectivly killing my evening, but as I don't I upvoted you instead in the hope that you will read my message and think twice in the future about posting such a fascinating, interesting time sink that will kill people's productivity. Cheers
- mistermumble 12y ago
  ESR's post provides a link to a long but worthwhile article by Jelmer Vernooij on the history of Bazaar and why it lost to Git. The key paragraph: We lost sight of what mattered for our users, focusing on features that were nice but perhaps not as necessary as we thought. We overengineered. We didn't get rid of the crufty unnecessary features. It's harder to comprehend, contribute to or fix performance issues in a large layered codebase. And the larger a codebase becomes, the larger the surface for bugs, the harder it is to refactor. https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospectiv...
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    The link appears down (hostname doesn't resolve for me): http://web.archive.org/web/20141108100240/https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html http://web.archive.org/web/20141108100240/https://www.statio... % host www.stationary-traveller.eu Host www.stationary-traveller.eu not found: 2(SERVFAIL) (In case that helps someone.) In fact, I think I have something, because dig www.stationary-traveller.eu +trace seems to work: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12025173/dig-returns-servfail-but-trace-works http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12025173/dig-returns-serv... My resolv.conf is just 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 so I'm pretty sure this is affecting others. OpenDNS resolves it, though: % nslookup www.stationary-traveller.eu 208.67.222.222 Server: 208.67.222.222 Address: 208.67.222.222#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.stationary-traveller.eu canonical name = aurelia.vernstok.nl. aurelia.vernstok.nl canonical name = aurelia.jelmer.uk. Name: aurelia.jelmer.uk Address: 178.63.244.14 This might provide a solution: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1278335 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1278335 > EDIT,fixed: The CAUSE was that /etc/named.conf had no zone set for that domain. and also there was file for "DB record" missing in /var/named/domain.com.db file. This manual fixed it: http://kb.iweb.com/entries/21155058-Adding-new-domains-to-DNS-servers-from-the-shell http://kb.iweb.com/entries/21155058-Adding-new-domains-to-DN...
GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
Is this : " It impedes people stuck on old (low spec) computers, too. For example, in my adventures w/ git-bzr, i have managed to do the initial clone, but 512M RAM is not enough to achieve the tantalizingly compact footprint that "git gc --aggressive" purports. I'm a stubborn fool and will find a way eventually (suggestions from git-bzr / git experts welcome!), but it's an unqualified slog that i imagine is just not worth the trouble for others in similar straits." just ideology? I would have expected most individuals in position to be doing development work in 2014 to have a little more ram than this.
- jacquesm 12y ago
  Development work in the richer countries, yes. In the not so rich countries 1G is still quite normal and a program that's conservative (if using 512M can be called conservative in this case) with RAM is to be appreciated at all times, even when you have lots of it.

bitwize 12y ago

Eric also lent considerable aid and the use of his reposurgeon tool to doing the actual migration. Despite his storied rivalry with Stallman, the two actually worked together over the past 10 months to get this shit done.

nekopa 12y ago

Jesus Christ, (and I say that as a Buddhist) thanks for that rabbit hole. Thanks. I have spent 45 minutes so far on it, and it just keeps getting deeper. If I had enough karma I would downvote you for effectivly killing my evening, but as I don't I upvoted you instead in the hope that you will read my message and think twice in the future about posting such a fascinating, interesting time sink that will kill people's productivity. Cheers

mistermumble 12y ago
ESR's post provides a link to a long but worthwhile article by Jelmer Vernooij on the history of Bazaar and why it lost to Git. The key paragraph: We lost sight of what mattered for our users, focusing on features that were nice but perhaps not as necessary as we thought. We overengineered. We didn't get rid of the crufty unnecessary features. It's harder to comprehend, contribute to or fix performance issues in a large layered codebase. And the larger a codebase becomes, the larger the surface for bugs, the harder it is to refactor. https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospectiv...
- cbd1984 12y ago
  The link appears down (hostname doesn't resolve for me): http://web.archive.org/web/20141108100240/https://www.stationary-traveller.eu/pages/bzr-a-retrospective.html http://web.archive.org/web/20141108100240/https://www.statio... % host www.stationary-traveller.eu Host www.stationary-traveller.eu not found: 2(SERVFAIL) (In case that helps someone.) In fact, I think I have something, because dig www.stationary-traveller.eu +trace seems to work: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12025173/dig-returns-servfail-but-trace-works http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12025173/dig-returns-serv... My resolv.conf is just 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 so I'm pretty sure this is affecting others. OpenDNS resolves it, though: % nslookup www.stationary-traveller.eu 208.67.222.222 Server: 208.67.222.222 Address: 208.67.222.222#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.stationary-traveller.eu canonical name = aurelia.vernstok.nl. aurelia.vernstok.nl canonical name = aurelia.jelmer.uk. Name: aurelia.jelmer.uk Address: 178.63.244.14 This might provide a solution: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1278335 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1278335 > EDIT,fixed: The CAUSE was that /etc/named.conf had no zone set for that domain. and also there was file for "DB record" missing in /var/named/domain.com.db file. This manual fixed it: http://kb.iweb.com/entries/21155058-Adding-new-domains-to-DNS-servers-from-the-shell http://kb.iweb.com/entries/21155058-Adding-new-domains-to-DN...

GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago

Is this : " It impedes people stuck on old (low spec) computers, too. For example, in my adventures w/ git-bzr, i have managed to do the initial clone, but 512M RAM is not enough to achieve the tantalizingly compact footprint that "git gc --aggressive" purports. I'm a stubborn fool and will find a way eventually (suggestions from git-bzr / git experts welcome!), but it's an unqualified slog that i imagine is just not worth the trouble for others in similar straits." just ideology? I would have expected most individuals in position to be doing development work in 2014 to have a little more ram than this.

jacquesm 12y ago
Development work in the richer countries, yes. In the not so rich countries 1G is still quite normal and a program that's conservative (if using 512M can be called conservative in this case) with RAM is to be appreciated at all times, even when you have lots of it.