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> Performance improvement plans are not for performance improvement. They are for firing employees. Management already formed an irreversible negative view. It

> Performance improvement plans are not for performance improvement. They are for firing employees. Management already formed an irreversible negative view. It is too late. While this ends up mostly true in practice, I have known people who were able to turn things around after being put on a PIP. > You cannot win a case against the company. Because a) companies have more resources and b) even if you do win then other companies will mark you as a troublemaker. Getting hired is going to get a lot harder. There is a flip side to this. The company wants to ensure it has a water tight case against you, to ensure the complaints are dismissed before going to court. Otherwise, if there is any merit to your complaint, despite the company having more resources than you, they do not wish to be tied up in legal entanglements. This is why HR and Management document everything heavily. I don't have the source handy, but in the US workplace legal disputes is the number one costs to companies.

protonfish 12y ago
Though it is certainly possible, it is better to take a PIP to mean "Start looking for a new job NOW."
apetresc 12y ago
> I don't have the source handy, but in the US workplace legal disputes is the number one costs to companies. You're really going to have to qualify that somehow. It can't possibly be close to true in that form.
- balls187 12y ago
  Fair point. I stepped away and did not have a chance to edit the post to qualify it as legal costs.
  - rogerhoward 12y ago
    Labor tends to be one of business' largest costs as well, so labor-related legal being the largest category of legal costs is (if true) not unreasonable.
inquist 12y ago
> I have known people who were able to turn things around after being put on a PIP. I'm one! It took a few hours of introspection but I applied a new focus and drive to aligning my personal goals with the company's goals. Have not looked back since.

protonfish 12y ago

Though it is certainly possible, it is better to take a PIP to mean "Start looking for a new job NOW."

apetresc 12y ago

> I don't have the source handy, but in the US workplace legal disputes is the number one costs to companies. You're really going to have to qualify that somehow. It can't possibly be close to true in that form.

balls187 12y ago
Fair point. I stepped away and did not have a chance to edit the post to qualify it as legal costs.
- rogerhoward 12y ago
  Labor tends to be one of business' largest costs as well, so labor-related legal being the largest category of legal costs is (if true) not unreasonable.

inquist 12y ago

> I have known people who were able to turn things around after being put on a PIP. I'm one! It took a few hours of introspection but I applied a new focus and drive to aligning my personal goals with the company's goals. Have not looked back since.