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Problem is quite a few european countries right now don't trust american companies anymore so they are working on their own mail service, cloud, network and har

by abaco 12y ago

Problem is quite a few european countries right now don't trust american companies anymore so they are working on their own mail service, cloud, network and hardware components, ... (you know if american companies agreed with american government to spy on us they kinda deserve a nice fk off). So who is damaged by this european behaviour? American companies. And now Google is suddenly concerned about our privacy. Middle finger?

thisjepisje 12y ago
Middelvinger. But seriously, got some more info on these European services? I don't watch these matters very closely lately, would be interested in looking into it.
- abaco 12y ago
  I am italian, would be surprise if a member of our government is even able to switch on a computer. But I know that in Germany (for example) this problem is a big thing http://www.zdnet.com/worried-about-your-email-security-in-germany-safe-messaging-is-on-the-rise-7000029018/ http://www.zdnet.com/worried-about-your-email-security-in-ge... http://www.bohnen-kallmorgen.com/root/index.php?page_id=123 http://www.bohnen-kallmorgen.com/root/index.php?page_id=123
  - BillFranklin 12y ago
    In Germany the privacy laws are incredibly strict but fair to consumers rather than corporations.
- voxic11 12y ago
  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail is an example
- jdimov 12y ago
  There's the EU-funded FI-WARE cloud platform. Completely free to use for European start-ups and comes with 80 million euros in EU grants for start-ups using it. http://www.fi-ware.org/ http://www.fi-ware.org/
- danieldk 12y ago
  Not a government-sponsored initiative, but: https://mailbox.org/en/ https://mailbox.org/en/
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dkopi 12y ago
"if american companies agreed with american government" Just as a reminder, The government threatened to fine Yahoo $250,000 a day if it did not immediately cave in and comply with the secret court order. http://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ http://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ This blog post could actually be Google's way of silently signaling us that the US gov't is still strong arming american companies, and it needs the help of public pressure in order to keep our information safe and secure.
- mhurron 12y ago
  > could actually be Google's way of silently signaling us that the US gov't is still strong arming american companies Or it could be Googles way of looking like a good guy without actually doing anything. How you look at it depends on how much you want to trust them, or any other company that does something similar. Personally I will never ascribe good intentions to any amoral entity. Google is going to do like every other business will do, what ever it takes to increase the bottom line.
- k-mcgrady 12y ago
  >> "The government threatened to fine Yahoo $250,000 a day if it did not immediately cave in and comply with the secret court order." Do you think that really would have happened if the CEO or a high ranking employee came out publicly and explained what was happening? There is no way the fines would have happened or anyone would have been prosecuted. Sure the USG could have done it but they would have been insane to.
  - mudetroit 12y ago
    Be very careful thinking that they would not have attempted to prosecute them and/or punish the company for doing so. The wonderful fun of these secret courts, that we are stuck with for the moment, is that everything the do is stuck under gag order. You have to deal with the prospect of an angry judge or prosecutor at that point, and don't discount the likelihood of them being vindictive.
- drjesusphd 12y ago

by abaco 12y ago

thisjepisje 12y ago

Middelvinger. But seriously, got some more info on these European services? I don't watch these matters very closely lately, would be interested in looking into it.

abaco 12y ago
I am italian, would be surprise if a member of our government is even able to switch on a computer. But I know that in Germany (for example) this problem is a big thing http://www.zdnet.com/worried-about-your-email-security-in-germany-safe-messaging-is-on-the-rise-7000029018/ http://www.zdnet.com/worried-about-your-email-security-in-ge... http://www.bohnen-kallmorgen.com/root/index.php?page_id=123 http://www.bohnen-kallmorgen.com/root/index.php?page_id=123
- BillFranklin 12y ago
  In Germany the privacy laws are incredibly strict but fair to consumers rather than corporations.
voxic11 12y ago
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail is an example
jdimov 12y ago
There's the EU-funded FI-WARE cloud platform. Completely free to use for European start-ups and comes with 80 million euros in EU grants for start-ups using it. http://www.fi-ware.org/ http://www.fi-ware.org/
danieldk 12y ago
Not a government-sponsored initiative, but: https://mailbox.org/en/ https://mailbox.org/en/

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dkopi 12y ago

"if american companies agreed with american government" Just as a reminder, The government threatened to fine Yahoo $250,000 a day if it did not immediately cave in and comply with the secret court order. http://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ http://www.wired.com/2014/09/feds-yahoo-fine-prism/ This blog post could actually be Google's way of silently signaling us that the US gov't is still strong arming american companies, and it needs the help of public pressure in order to keep our information safe and secure.

mhurron 12y ago
> could actually be Google's way of silently signaling us that the US gov't is still strong arming american companies Or it could be Googles way of looking like a good guy without actually doing anything. How you look at it depends on how much you want to trust them, or any other company that does something similar. Personally I will never ascribe good intentions to any amoral entity. Google is going to do like every other business will do, what ever it takes to increase the bottom line.
k-mcgrady 12y ago
>> "The government threatened to fine Yahoo $250,000 a day if it did not immediately cave in and comply with the secret court order." Do you think that really would have happened if the CEO or a high ranking employee came out publicly and explained what was happening? There is no way the fines would have happened or anyone would have been prosecuted. Sure the USG could have done it but they would have been insane to.
- mudetroit 12y ago
  Be very careful thinking that they would not have attempted to prosecute them and/or punish the company for doing so. The wonderful fun of these secret courts, that we are stuck with for the moment, is that everything the do is stuck under gag order. You have to deal with the prospect of an angry judge or prosecutor at that point, and don't discount the likelihood of them being vindictive.
drjesusphd 12y ago