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> I just don't want to hear about it. ... and therefore people should curtail their speech ? stop talking about relevant things that transpired ? May be you ar

by srean 12y ago

> I just don't want to hear about it. ... and therefore people should curtail their speech ? stop talking about relevant things that transpired ? May be you are a tad shaky on the concept, lets burn all the existing history books and those about to be written. > They've had exceptional evidence and time That is your opinion. The way it works is that you dont get to decide for someone else who has lost the trust whether MS has done enough, its the prerogative of the person who has lost the trust. The waiter at a restaurant chews on the serving and says this food is perfectly fine and you must push it down your throat isnt a very solid defense of the food. The buck stops at the desk of the restaurant patron. And who said 'hate' ? That seems like your construct. Its a question of choice, should one buy into the MS ecosystem or not. Every person makes his / her own choice. I for one am now more willing to invest time in learning F#, but quite queasy about being dependent on that ecosystem financially. > But you're still dragging the thread off-topic. Oh really ? what exactly was off-topic in the thread and why. As I said, perhaps you are a little slow on the concepts. > the bad stuff they did 20 years ago False, and this has been amply demonstrated on this thread. But the time is not relevant. What is the relevant is the confidence / assurance that it wont happen again and the wisdom or the lack of patronizing a repeat offender. Why did those bad things happen, and why wont those things happen again. Whoever wants to use their products need answers that satisfy them. Different consumers will have different standards. Perhaps it is good teachable moment for corporations. Deliberate and repeat actions can continue to affect them long after. If those in charge were so concerned, they perhaps should have thought it through. After all you make the bed you lie in. A parting thought, those bad shit, they were far from an impetuous one off.

freehunter 12y ago
> The waiter at a restaurant chews on the serving and says this food is perfectly fine and you must push it down your throat isnt a very solid defense of the food. The buck stops at the desk of the restaurant patron. If I order steak at a restaurant and they bring me fish, I'm within my rights to complain. If they bring me out the fish and give my meal to me for free, that's great. But if I'm still complaining about the steak even after getting a free meal, then after getting a coupon for future meals for free, and getting a manager apology, and getting discounts on meals, and then they pay me to stop complaining, if I'm still complaining, don't you think that's going too far? You can be unhappy all you want, that's your right. But how long can you go to that restaurant and complain about them mixing up steak and fish before the other patrons tell you you're being rude? Of course then you turn to that patron and say they're a shill for the restaurant. What you say has been "amply demonstrated" has been completely refuted not just by myself. Please. I beg of you. Some of us just want to discuss the news, the actual relevant news that is happening right now with other like-minded people. If you come into a thread solely to hate and troll... please. Just turn around and walk out. If you like Red Hat, if you like Arch, if you like Mac, if you like Android, please just go there and talk about the things you like. You don't have to come here and shit on everything. That's called being a troll. It happens in almost every thread, but the difference is trolling other companies gets you downvoted. Trolling Microsoft gets the discussion flagged off the front page. So please just go away.
- nocman 12y ago
  IMHO the long list of items you added to the restaurant analogy does not make the analogy a more accurrate representation of the relationship of Microsoft to the users of their products. In fact (again IMHO) your description is laughable if it is intended to accurately represent Microsofts's efforts to reconcile with users it has wronged in the past. Microsoft simply hasn't put in anything like that kind of effort to instill confindence in their good will toward their customers. Obviously srean probably agrees with me on that point. > So please just go away. Telling srean to go away is just not in the spirit of this site. He/she (I honestly don't know which it is) has been reasonably civil, and did not attack you personally. You simply don't agree with him/her. He/she has contributed reasonably to the conversation, so you have no valid reason to ask him/her to stop commenting on the topic. And lastly (again, IMHO) your comments appear to be much more troll-like than his/hers. You have been much less civil in this conversation than srean. And I'm not going to ask you to "go away" :-D (edited for a typo and a missed "/her" )

by srean 12y ago

freehunter 12y ago

> The waiter at a restaurant chews on the serving and says this food is perfectly fine and you must push it down your throat isnt a very solid defense of the food. The buck stops at the desk of the restaurant patron. If I order steak at a restaurant and they bring me fish, I'm within my rights to complain. If they bring me out the fish and give my meal to me for free, that's great. But if I'm still complaining about the steak even after getting a free meal, then after getting a coupon for future meals for free, and getting a manager apology, and getting discounts on meals, and then they pay me to stop complaining, if I'm still complaining, don't you think that's going too far? You can be unhappy all you want, that's your right. But how long can you go to that restaurant and complain about them mixing up steak and fish before the other patrons tell you you're being rude? Of course then you turn to that patron and say they're a shill for the restaurant. What you say has been "amply demonstrated" has been completely refuted not just by myself. Please. I beg of you. Some of us just want to discuss the news, the actual relevant news that is happening right now with other like-minded people. If you come into a thread solely to hate and troll... please. Just turn around and walk out. If you like Red Hat, if you like Arch, if you like Mac, if you like Android, please just go there and talk about the things you like. You don't have to come here and shit on everything. That's called being a troll. It happens in almost every thread, but the difference is trolling other companies gets you downvoted. Trolling Microsoft gets the discussion flagged off the front page. So please just go away.

nocman 12y ago
IMHO the long list of items you added to the restaurant analogy does not make the analogy a more accurrate representation of the relationship of Microsoft to the users of their products. In fact (again IMHO) your description is laughable if it is intended to accurately represent Microsofts's efforts to reconcile with users it has wronged in the past. Microsoft simply hasn't put in anything like that kind of effort to instill confindence in their good will toward their customers. Obviously srean probably agrees with me on that point. > So please just go away. Telling srean to go away is just not in the spirit of this site. He/she (I honestly don't know which it is) has been reasonably civil, and did not attack you personally. You simply don't agree with him/her. He/she has contributed reasonably to the conversation, so you have no valid reason to ask him/her to stop commenting on the topic. And lastly (again, IMHO) your comments appear to be much more troll-like than his/hers. You have been much less civil in this conversation than srean. And I'm not going to ask you to "go away" :-D (edited for a typo and a missed "/her" )