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You read the article I linked to, right? I can hardly disagree. Nevertheless, after writing code that way for so long and being a very zealous old-school UNIX

You read the article I linked to, right? I can hardly disagree. Nevertheless, after writing code that way for so long and being a very zealous old-school UNIX guy, I guess I'm interested in trying a newer, more conventional way of doing things.

axod 17y ago
'more convenient' often means far more trouble in the long run. I've seen colleagues use their IDE build process which is completely broken, and spend a day trying to figure out what's wrong... (Never use a build process in an IDE). You see people blindly creating source files that are thousands of lines long and not noticing since their IDE folds the code etc. The IDE hides the bloat. Which is a terrible thing. When you start trying to integrate svn, build process, etc into an IDE, everything goes wrong. The 'intelligence' in textmate was even too much for me. Inserting "" when I pressed it once, trying to do code indenting. It still drives me mad how it handles tab and spaces (When I press delete, I want it to remove one space. Not 4). I really don't think an IDE is 'more conventional'. Perhaps in corporate cubeville.
- abalashov 17y ago
  I guess I avoid some of these pitfalls because I wrote C and Perl with vi for 10 years, and used a relatively spartan FVWM environment consisting solely of terminals and command-line approaches to all problems. That method of approaching programming and technical work isn't going to change for me even if I forklift-upgrade my Java text editor to something a little fancier, which is essentially what I see myself to have done here. I can't use an integrated build process anyway because I'm working on a backend server process that necessarily must reside on a remote machine; there'd be virtually no point in trying to develop or run it locally, as it depends on connectivity to too many other resources for any aspect of its functionality. So, I mount the source directory over SSHFS or NFS and edit it "locally" with Eclipse, but the build process is remote and done via a manually crafted Ant build file. I haven't seen Eclipse fold any code other than the big comment block at the top of every source file. I wouldn't be opposed to integrating SVN awareness into it, but find it a bit problematic since I'm using SVN over SSH.

axod 17y ago

'more convenient' often means far more trouble in the long run. I've seen colleagues use their IDE build process which is completely broken, and spend a day trying to figure out what's wrong... (Never use a build process in an IDE). You see people blindly creating source files that are thousands of lines long and not noticing since their IDE folds the code etc. The IDE hides the bloat. Which is a terrible thing. When you start trying to integrate svn, build process, etc into an IDE, everything goes wrong. The 'intelligence' in textmate was even too much for me. Inserting "" when I pressed it once, trying to do code indenting. It still drives me mad how it handles tab and spaces (When I press delete, I want it to remove one space. Not 4). I really don't think an IDE is 'more conventional'. Perhaps in corporate cubeville.

abalashov 17y ago
I guess I avoid some of these pitfalls because I wrote C and Perl with vi for 10 years, and used a relatively spartan FVWM environment consisting solely of terminals and command-line approaches to all problems. That method of approaching programming and technical work isn't going to change for me even if I forklift-upgrade my Java text editor to something a little fancier, which is essentially what I see myself to have done here. I can't use an integrated build process anyway because I'm working on a backend server process that necessarily must reside on a remote machine; there'd be virtually no point in trying to develop or run it locally, as it depends on connectivity to too many other resources for any aspect of its functionality. So, I mount the source directory over SSHFS or NFS and edit it "locally" with Eclipse, but the build process is remote and done via a manually crafted Ant build file. I haven't seen Eclipse fold any code other than the big comment block at the top of every source file. I wouldn't be opposed to integrating SVN awareness into it, but find it a bit problematic since I'm using SVN over SSH.