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Good, hopefully this pushes Oracle to refocus, reinvest in Java. Competition is good. Microsoft still have megatons of work to do to catch up Java (mindshare o

Good, hopefully this pushes Oracle to refocus, reinvest in Java. Competition is good. Microsoft still have megatons of work to do to catch up Java (mindshare or tooling wise).

orf 12y ago
Really? I think they are catching up fast on the mindshare front. Java is not cool anymore, it's grey and verbose, and I think C# has got nicer features. Also VS beats the pants off Eclipse any day.
- edwinnathaniel 12y ago
  Silicon Valley is all OSS/Java. ElasticSearch, Hadoop, Cassandra, HBase, HDFS (mixed with C). Newer infrastructure for big-data are either Java, Scala, Clojure (one or two tools). Some of the startups also use Java (not all). I rarely see C#. So yes, C# is not catching up yet. Sorry, Eclipse + Ecosystems (that include plugins/integrations and whatnot) = beats VS any day (with or without pants). And if you have money, IntelliJ is right around the corner circling VS. I think people don't realize that comparing the Java and .NET requires dragging the community, the platform, the tools, the plugins, and everything else in-between. I granted in Windows/Desktop .NET is the king. Everywhere else it's the other way around by a long margin.
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  - amalag 12y ago
    .NET is big in enterprise too, not just desktop.
    - edwinnathaniel 12y ago
      People keep saying that Microsoft/.NET is "big" in enterprise but I have not seen real data. If by "enterprise" you meant WalMart bought ten thousands license of Windows 7 OS for their workstation then sure... But let me offer a different point of view: SAP, IBM, Tibco, Oracle, Salesforce (not too big yet but they are entrenched), NetSuite (same level with Salesforce), Workday. Mostly Java...
      - amalag 12y ago
        Maybe it is the mid-level I am thinking of. The transition from active directory server to sharepoint intranet to .net web projects is pretty standard for many companies. An unscientific search on indeed.com results in 38k for java developer and 27k for .NET developer. Deploying .NET to linux is pretty huge.
kbart 12y ago
Good, hopefully this pushes Oracle to refocus, reinvest in Java. I just hope they simply let it die at last. Of course, that's a subjective opinion, but Java is so ugly, that it's enough to keep me away from getting more into Android development.
- edwinnathaniel 12y ago
  The options aren't that great either considering they don't necessarily stood the test of time like Java does...

Good, hopefully this pushes Oracle to refocus, reinvest in Java. Competition is good. Microsoft still have megatons of work to do to catch up Java (mindshare or tooling wise).

orf 12y ago

Really? I think they are catching up fast on the mindshare front. Java is not cool anymore, it's grey and verbose, and I think C# has got nicer features. Also VS beats the pants off Eclipse any day.

edwinnathaniel 12y ago
Silicon Valley is all OSS/Java. ElasticSearch, Hadoop, Cassandra, HBase, HDFS (mixed with C). Newer infrastructure for big-data are either Java, Scala, Clojure (one or two tools). Some of the startups also use Java (not all). I rarely see C#. So yes, C# is not catching up yet. Sorry, Eclipse + Ecosystems (that include plugins/integrations and whatnot) = beats VS any day (with or without pants). And if you have money, IntelliJ is right around the corner circling VS. I think people don't realize that comparing the Java and .NET requires dragging the community, the platform, the tools, the plugins, and everything else in-between. I granted in Windows/Desktop .NET is the king. Everywhere else it's the other way around by a long margin.
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- amalag 12y ago
  .NET is big in enterprise too, not just desktop.
  - edwinnathaniel 12y ago
    People keep saying that Microsoft/.NET is "big" in enterprise but I have not seen real data. If by "enterprise" you meant WalMart bought ten thousands license of Windows 7 OS for their workstation then sure... But let me offer a different point of view: SAP, IBM, Tibco, Oracle, Salesforce (not too big yet but they are entrenched), NetSuite (same level with Salesforce), Workday. Mostly Java...
    - amalag 12y ago
      Maybe it is the mid-level I am thinking of. The transition from active directory server to sharepoint intranet to .net web projects is pretty standard for many companies. An unscientific search on indeed.com results in 38k for java developer and 27k for .NET developer. Deploying .NET to linux is pretty huge.

kbart 12y ago

Good, hopefully this pushes Oracle to refocus, reinvest in Java. I just hope they simply let it die at last. Of course, that's a subjective opinion, but Java is so ugly, that it's enough to keep me away from getting more into Android development.

edwinnathaniel 12y ago
The options aren't that great either considering they don't necessarily stood the test of time like Java does...