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Too little, too late. At the end of the day, you're still being forced to pay a company to use their shitty software. Once you lose developers, you lose the rac

Too little, too late. At the end of the day, you're still being forced to pay a company to use their shitty software. Once you lose developers, you lose the race.

coldtea 12y ago
The thing is, it's anything but shitty. C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development, and there's a magnigicent next gen language in F# thrown in, and a great web framework.
- iamjustasking 12y ago
  "C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development" - i see you have great tools if cs is soooo good.
  - tdsamardzhiev 12y ago
    For enterprise work I'd actually agree that nothing beats C#. I also love Haskell, but let's be honest - it won't get me hired, or at least not here in Bulgaria.
    - iamjustasking 12y ago
      "For enterprise work I'd actually agree that nothing beats C#." - i'm sad to read this. It's a pain to develop even a simple thing with c#/java because of the 'great' lang design and ugly tools. "I also love Haskell, but let's be honest - it won't get me hired, or at least not here in Bulgaria." - with a toy lang, nobody(if sane) will hire you.
      - coldtea 12y ago
        "with a toy lang, nobody(if sane) will hire you" C# is the "toy lang"? How old are you exactly?
        V-2 12y ago
        I think he called Haskell that. Booo
        coldtea 12y ago
        Well, that's equally bad, just from another perspective. As if the market demands and hirability is all that matters (and that said in a forum of hackers and entrepreneurs! Lots of which have actually businesses run on Haskell, Clojure, LISP and other "toy" languages)...
- fapjacks 12y ago
  I keep hearing that, as if people are trying to convince themselves. But the fact is that it just doesn't exist out in the wild like its alternatives. What's more, anybody who thinks Microsoft is embracing open source by doing this is kidding themselves. There is only one motivation behind everything Microsoft does, and it isn't bringing open source philosophy to its products. Hint: That philosophy serves to undermine Microsoft's single motivation. I'm sure this comment -- while more thorough and reasonable -- will also be downvoted into oblivion because of the fanboys in here high on their own dreams. Microsoft is not your friend.
  - alkonaut 12y ago
    > Microsoft is not your friend Nor is google or Oracle. So who is? To put this in perspective you need to look at the alternatives. Getting a free (as in speech) source CLR/BCL/JIT/Compiler and a free (as in beer) IDE is pretty sweet. Sure, you can do python or Node.js, but it's not covering all that you can do now with .NET. Only java/jvm really competes on "everything except high perf" (from enterprise to mobile to cloud etc.). And in the java universe you may end up with Ask toolbar, Eclipse and tears on your keyboard.
    - jacquesm 12y ago
      > So who is? Linus Torvalds, RMS, Guido van Rossum, and a very long list of other open source contributors who were writing open source code before it was 'hip' or good PR.
      - alkonaut 12y ago
        Those guys do (did) some great things. However, I wasn't asking about who was a cool developer or great OSS personality (Or a crazy person or obnoxius mailing list asshat for that matter :) ) I meant, when it comes to choosing a platform/language/IDE for enterprise dev or mobile/cloud dev, there are lots of options but most of the "big" ones also come from megacorps (Oracle, Google...) What scared people most about .NET is usually the closed nature (will they continue to develop it? will they charge more tomorrow?) and the fact that it only runs on windows which makes it more expensive. When it's open sourced and available for other platforms, it's no worse than the alternatives in that respect.

Too little, too late. At the end of the day, you're still being forced to pay a company to use their shitty software. Once you lose developers, you lose the race.

coldtea 12y ago

The thing is, it's anything but shitty. C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development, and there's a magnigicent next gen language in F# thrown in, and a great web framework.

iamjustasking 12y ago
"C# is one of the best languages out there for generic enterprise work and app development" - i see you have great tools if cs is soooo good.
- tdsamardzhiev 12y ago
  For enterprise work I'd actually agree that nothing beats C#. I also love Haskell, but let's be honest - it won't get me hired, or at least not here in Bulgaria.
  - iamjustasking 12y ago
    "For enterprise work I'd actually agree that nothing beats C#." - i'm sad to read this. It's a pain to develop even a simple thing with c#/java because of the 'great' lang design and ugly tools. "I also love Haskell, but let's be honest - it won't get me hired, or at least not here in Bulgaria." - with a toy lang, nobody(if sane) will hire you.
    - coldtea 12y ago
      "with a toy lang, nobody(if sane) will hire you" C# is the "toy lang"? How old are you exactly?
      - V-2 12y ago
        I think he called Haskell that. Booo
        coldtea 12y ago
        Well, that's equally bad, just from another perspective. As if the market demands and hirability is all that matters (and that said in a forum of hackers and entrepreneurs! Lots of which have actually businesses run on Haskell, Clojure, LISP and other "toy" languages)...
fapjacks 12y ago
I keep hearing that, as if people are trying to convince themselves. But the fact is that it just doesn't exist out in the wild like its alternatives. What's more, anybody who thinks Microsoft is embracing open source by doing this is kidding themselves. There is only one motivation behind everything Microsoft does, and it isn't bringing open source philosophy to its products. Hint: That philosophy serves to undermine Microsoft's single motivation. I'm sure this comment -- while more thorough and reasonable -- will also be downvoted into oblivion because of the fanboys in here high on their own dreams. Microsoft is not your friend.
- alkonaut 12y ago
  > Microsoft is not your friend Nor is google or Oracle. So who is? To put this in perspective you need to look at the alternatives. Getting a free (as in speech) source CLR/BCL/JIT/Compiler and a free (as in beer) IDE is pretty sweet. Sure, you can do python or Node.js, but it's not covering all that you can do now with .NET. Only java/jvm really competes on "everything except high perf" (from enterprise to mobile to cloud etc.). And in the java universe you may end up with Ask toolbar, Eclipse and tears on your keyboard.
  - jacquesm 12y ago
    > So who is? Linus Torvalds, RMS, Guido van Rossum, and a very long list of other open source contributors who were writing open source code before it was 'hip' or good PR.
    - alkonaut 12y ago
      Those guys do (did) some great things. However, I wasn't asking about who was a cool developer or great OSS personality (Or a crazy person or obnoxius mailing list asshat for that matter :) ) I meant, when it comes to choosing a platform/language/IDE for enterprise dev or mobile/cloud dev, there are lots of options but most of the "big" ones also come from megacorps (Oracle, Google...) What scared people most about .NET is usually the closed nature (will they continue to develop it? will they charge more tomorrow?) and the fact that it only runs on windows which makes it more expensive. When it's open sourced and available for other platforms, it's no worse than the alternatives in that respect.