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I'm not so sure, I kind of feel like this is them following Embrace Extend Extinguish, except they realized they moved to step 3 too soon so they're going back

I'm not so sure, I kind of feel like this is them following Embrace Extend Extinguish, except they realized they moved to step 3 too soon so they're going back to step 2 or 1. I do not have faith that they won't try step 3 again later.

jacquesm 12y ago
In a nutshell, that's my problem. Once bitten twice shy. Even so I'm happy that they are moving in this direction, let's hope they do it some more.
fapjacks 12y ago
Absolutely. There is zero regard for open source from Microsoft here. At the very least they must be trying to return to the "developers, developers, developers" days. With Bill Gates punching the clock, it's really anybody's guess what the real motivation is here, but it sure as hell isn't all the things we know and love about open source.
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  > Absolutely. There is zero regard for open source from Microsoft here. What would it take for you to say "gosh, now Microsoft has regard for open source!" ? If the answer is "nothing, I'd never say that ever" then you don't have an opinion, you have a fixed religious belief. And how does your threshold for Microsoft differ from the same for Apple. Google, Facebook et al?
  - fapjacks 12y ago
    When its history shows otherwise.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
      What specifically has to be in the history? What yes-or-no test, what action that hasn't already happened? Major projects open-sourced on GitHub under MIT licence? Check. Runs Linux, java and PHP in the Azure data centres? check.
      - fapjacks 12y ago
        It sounds like you have a fixed religious belief instead of an opinion. Every day must be infuriating for you! You're too much of a fanboy to consider that Microsoft isn't your friend, or that other people have opinions counter to yours. But I've already put too much food beneath this particular bridge of yours.
        SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
        Hahaha. Projecting much? Microsoft is a company, like many others. Some divisions do things that are friendly and benefit me, sometimes, because they want to sell things. That's realistic. I'm well aware that onions differ, which is why I ask about people’s reasons for holding those opinions, so that I can understand them. Of course, it's equally likely that people will resort to bluster and accusations instead of answers when they really don't have reasons, rather than examine themselves.

jacquesm 12y ago

In a nutshell, that's my problem. Once bitten twice shy. Even so I'm happy that they are moving in this direction, let's hope they do it some more.

fapjacks 12y ago

Absolutely. There is zero regard for open source from Microsoft here. At the very least they must be trying to return to the "developers, developers, developers" days. With Bill Gates punching the clock, it's really anybody's guess what the real motivation is here, but it sure as hell isn't all the things we know and love about open source.

SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
> Absolutely. There is zero regard for open source from Microsoft here. What would it take for you to say "gosh, now Microsoft has regard for open source!" ? If the answer is "nothing, I'd never say that ever" then you don't have an opinion, you have a fixed religious belief. And how does your threshold for Microsoft differ from the same for Apple. Google, Facebook et al?
- fapjacks 12y ago
  When its history shows otherwise.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
    What specifically has to be in the history? What yes-or-no test, what action that hasn't already happened? Major projects open-sourced on GitHub under MIT licence? Check. Runs Linux, java and PHP in the Azure data centres? check.
    - fapjacks 12y ago
      It sounds like you have a fixed religious belief instead of an opinion. Every day must be infuriating for you! You're too much of a fanboy to consider that Microsoft isn't your friend, or that other people have opinions counter to yours. But I've already put too much food beneath this particular bridge of yours.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
        Hahaha. Projecting much? Microsoft is a company, like many others. Some divisions do things that are friendly and benefit me, sometimes, because they want to sell things. That's realistic. I'm well aware that onions differ, which is why I ask about people’s reasons for holding those opinions, so that I can understand them. Of course, it's equally likely that people will resort to bluster and accusations instead of answers when they really don't have reasons, rather than examine themselves.