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The Burger That Shattered Her Life

51 points by peter123 17y ago

puredemo 17y ago
I had no idea e-coli could do that. Then again, I've been eating a vegan diet for years now so I don't really keep up with meat product dangers..
- tomjen2 17y ago
  Sometimes I really wish Vegans would shut up when the news fundamentally don't matter to them. They are about as relevant as Atheists in a Catholic mess.
  - deleted 17y ago
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  - gaius 17y ago
    It's been hard for them since their planet was destroyed by time-traveling Romulans.
  - jonny_noog 17y ago
    They are about as relevant as Atheists in a Catholic mess. Freudian slip?
    - tomjen2 17y ago
      Horrible spelling.
- ubernostrum 17y ago
  "Then again, I've been eating a vegan diet for years now so I don't really keep up with meat product dangers.." Good thing for you there's never been contamination of any vegetables like spinach...
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- zasz 17y ago
  It is not strictly a meat product danger. http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp
- rgrieselhuber 17y ago
  http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694 http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694
- whye 17y ago
  I'm not sure I'd be so smug. http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/9611/01/e.coli.poisoning/ http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/9611/01/e.coli.poisoning/ http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/ http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/
chris123 17y ago
A few excerpts: - confidential grinding records - hamburgers made from a mix of slaughterhouse trimmings and a mash-like product derived from scraps that were ground together - processes fatty trimmings and treats them with ammonia to kill bacteria. - those low-grade ingredients are cut from areas of the cow that are more likely to have had contact with feces
- gorbachev 17y ago
  I think the most important excerpt from the article: - slaughterhouses and grinders are resisting testing their ingredients for E. coli, because it costs too much - they also blacklist customers who do their own testing - U.S.D.A., the federal agency regulating the industry, is not requiring proper testing, instead they issue recommendations the large companies mostly ignore - U.S.D.A has not imposed any type of sanctions for food safety violations regarding E. coli outbreaks at facilities dealing with ground beef
  - chris123 17y ago
    Agreed. For some reason all this makes me want to throw this out there: This "resistance" and "blacklist" and "regulator not regulating" shit (fitting word, given this topic) sounds familiar. Isn't it the same song they play on Wall Street and in Washington... the song that lead us the "financial crisis"? I am sick of politicians and regulators being in bed with lobbyists and corporations instead of looking after us. And I'm sick of the rest of us fucking taking it. Why are people not standing up for each other, saying they're mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore (to borrow a phrase)? I'll close my mini-rant by posting this link to a HuffPo article that comes to mind: "Common Sense 2009" by Larry Flint (yes, that Larry Flint): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/common-sense-2009_b_264706.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/common-sense-2009_...
    - pmichaud 17y ago
      Why are you telling us about it? Why don't you be the leader? Let us know what we can do to help you in the plan you've developed to solve the problem.
bmunro 17y ago
An interesting thing to me is that E. coli will be killed if the meat is cooked all the way through. Anyone that gets infected by this strain (or any other) hasn't been cooking their meat properly. Or the hamburger chain hasn't. Rare steak is a different matter. Pathogenic bacteria will only be present on the surface of the meat. Cooking the surface of the meat kills the bacteria. But in the case of minced beef, the bacteria is mixed through the whole of the meat.
- adriand 17y ago
  If you read the whole article, you'll see that in fact, the burgers were so contaminated with e-coli that they could have easily caused infection simply through contact with surfaces in the kitchen. In an experiment with a similar strain, scientists found that even after washing a cutting board with soap, it was still contaminated with e-coli, and when they wiped it with a towel, that got contaminated too. To make matters worse, in a warm kitchen, e-coli will double once every 45 minutes. In other words, once you've got one of these little biological weapons in your kitchen, if you're not wearing a hazmat suit and handling it like it's an ebola sample, you could get infected.
  - weaksauce 17y ago
    If my differential equations class taught me anything it is the fact that the growth curve for population hits a saturation point where there is not enough food/area/resources to sustain that kind of growth. Not saying that you can't get sick but I don't know if the hazmat suit is a necessity.
- whye 17y ago
  According to the article the bacteria can also contaminate surfaces in the kitchen. For instance, if you form hamburger patties on a cutting board, even if you wash the board with soap and water, there may still be live bacteria capable of infecting you on it. For that reason, they recommend you also wash kitchen surfaces with a dilute bleach solution.
  - baguasquirrel 17y ago
edw519 17y ago
Two current employees said the flow of carcasses keeps up its torrid pace even when trimmers get reassigned, which increases pressure on workers. What the hell is this, 1906? Sounds like not much has changed since Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle".
- NathanKP 17y ago
  In the article they mentioned treating fatty meat with ammonia to kill bacteria then adding it to hamburgers. Disgusting. That did remind me a lot of "The Jungle". If I remember correctly in "The Jungle" they also treated rotten meat scraps with some sort of chemical blend to make them edible, then used them in sausages. News like this makes me want to be vegetarian.
dhughes 17y ago
I remember reading about two siblings who became sick, they had to be hospitalized and while they were in the hospital their parents gave them ice cream as a treat, but soon after their condition worsened. They later found out the reason they were hospitalized was because the ice cream was contaminated with e.coli and while in the hospital the ice cream, same brand, they were given was also contaminated. Even worse was the siblings, who survived, had a rare genetic trait that was affected when they were infected with the e.coli and now they have lifelong, permanent disability due to that freak occurrence. This happened in the US, the mid-west I think and the result was diabetes or some sensitivity to drugs, I forget and can't find the article.
- HeyLaughingBoy 17y ago
  Google "salmonella vanilla" and you might find it. That's what it was called around here: I had a friend who used to work for Schwan's, the company that made the ice cream. Although I should note that the problem wasn't caused by Schwan's: it was their supplier who was sending them contaminated dairy products.
rbanffy 17y ago
That kind of company is what we get when we hire a manager that knows only about management and nothing about whatever he or she is managing.
maximilian 17y ago
I got e.coli after spending spring break in Mexico with my dad. I didn't get it as bad as this girl, but it was awful nonetheless. I was horribly sick for 4 days with diarrhea and vomiting and couldn't really eat or drink much. What is scary about it, is that it affects everybody differently and can do anything from giving cramps and the shits, to killing you. Ugh, it was awful.
bh23ha 17y ago
I consider myself a libertarian, however: Many big slaughterhouses will sell only to grinders who agree not to test their shipments for E. coli, according to officials at two large grinding companies Things like this keep reminding me that the free market is not perfect.
- pstuart 17y ago
  What free market?
davidw 17y ago
This is not the sort of "hacking" that the site's title refers to. What's it doing here?
- alexgartrell 17y ago
  If it doesn't fit, flag it.
  - davidw 17y ago
    I do. But since I have plenty of useless karma to burn, I figure I might as well try and use it to do my small part to keep the site from turning into another reddit. And one thing that will keep that from happening is staying rigorously on topic. It's important to encourage people to do so.
hughprime 17y ago
While alarmism is always fun, it's worth taking a step back and comparing the risk of dying from a hamburger to the risk of dying from, say, a shark attack, or a bee sting, or being struck by lightning, or whatever your favourite unlikely cause of death may be.

51 points by peter123 17y ago

I had no idea e-coli could do that. Then again, I've been eating a vegan diet for years now so I don't really keep up with meat product dangers..

tomjen2 17y ago
Sometimes I really wish Vegans would shut up when the news fundamentally don't matter to them. They are about as relevant as Atheists in a Catholic mess.
- deleted 17y ago
  [deleted]
- gaius 17y ago
  It's been hard for them since their planet was destroyed by time-traveling Romulans.
- jonny_noog 17y ago
  They are about as relevant as Atheists in a Catholic mess. Freudian slip?
  - tomjen2 17y ago
    Horrible spelling.
ubernostrum 17y ago
"Then again, I've been eating a vegan diet for years now so I don't really keep up with meat product dangers.." Good thing for you there's never been contamination of any vegetables like spinach...
- deleted 17y ago
  [deleted]
zasz 17y ago
It is not strictly a meat product danger. http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/salad.asp
rgrieselhuber 17y ago
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694 http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28694
whye 17y ago
I'm not sure I'd be so smug. http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/9611/01/e.coli.poisoning/ http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/9611/01/e.coli.poisoning/ http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/ http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2006/september/

chris123 17y ago

A few excerpts: - confidential grinding records - hamburgers made from a mix of slaughterhouse trimmings and a mash-like product derived from scraps that were ground together - processes fatty trimmings and treats them with ammonia to kill bacteria. - those low-grade ingredients are cut from areas of the cow that are more likely to have had contact with feces

gorbachev 17y ago
I think the most important excerpt from the article: - slaughterhouses and grinders are resisting testing their ingredients for E. coli, because it costs too much - they also blacklist customers who do their own testing - U.S.D.A., the federal agency regulating the industry, is not requiring proper testing, instead they issue recommendations the large companies mostly ignore - U.S.D.A has not imposed any type of sanctions for food safety violations regarding E. coli outbreaks at facilities dealing with ground beef
- chris123 17y ago
  Agreed. For some reason all this makes me want to throw this out there: This "resistance" and "blacklist" and "regulator not regulating" shit (fitting word, given this topic) sounds familiar. Isn't it the same song they play on Wall Street and in Washington... the song that lead us the "financial crisis"? I am sick of politicians and regulators being in bed with lobbyists and corporations instead of looking after us. And I'm sick of the rest of us fucking taking it. Why are people not standing up for each other, saying they're mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore (to borrow a phrase)? I'll close my mini-rant by posting this link to a HuffPo article that comes to mind: "Common Sense 2009" by Larry Flint (yes, that Larry Flint): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/common-sense-2009_b_264706.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-flynt/common-sense-2009_...
  - pmichaud 17y ago
    Why are you telling us about it? Why don't you be the leader? Let us know what we can do to help you in the plan you've developed to solve the problem.

bmunro 17y ago

An interesting thing to me is that E. coli will be killed if the meat is cooked all the way through. Anyone that gets infected by this strain (or any other) hasn't been cooking their meat properly. Or the hamburger chain hasn't. Rare steak is a different matter. Pathogenic bacteria will only be present on the surface of the meat. Cooking the surface of the meat kills the bacteria. But in the case of minced beef, the bacteria is mixed through the whole of the meat.

adriand 17y ago
If you read the whole article, you'll see that in fact, the burgers were so contaminated with e-coli that they could have easily caused infection simply through contact with surfaces in the kitchen. In an experiment with a similar strain, scientists found that even after washing a cutting board with soap, it was still contaminated with e-coli, and when they wiped it with a towel, that got contaminated too. To make matters worse, in a warm kitchen, e-coli will double once every 45 minutes. In other words, once you've got one of these little biological weapons in your kitchen, if you're not wearing a hazmat suit and handling it like it's an ebola sample, you could get infected.
- weaksauce 17y ago
  If my differential equations class taught me anything it is the fact that the growth curve for population hits a saturation point where there is not enough food/area/resources to sustain that kind of growth. Not saying that you can't get sick but I don't know if the hazmat suit is a necessity.
whye 17y ago
According to the article the bacteria can also contaminate surfaces in the kitchen. For instance, if you form hamburger patties on a cutting board, even if you wash the board with soap and water, there may still be live bacteria capable of infecting you on it. For that reason, they recommend you also wash kitchen surfaces with a dilute bleach solution.
- baguasquirrel 17y ago

edw519 17y ago

Two current employees said the flow of carcasses keeps up its torrid pace even when trimmers get reassigned, which increases pressure on workers. What the hell is this, 1906? Sounds like not much has changed since Upton Sinclair wrote "The Jungle".

NathanKP 17y ago
In the article they mentioned treating fatty meat with ammonia to kill bacteria then adding it to hamburgers. Disgusting. That did remind me a lot of "The Jungle". If I remember correctly in "The Jungle" they also treated rotten meat scraps with some sort of chemical blend to make them edible, then used them in sausages. News like this makes me want to be vegetarian.

dhughes 17y ago

I remember reading about two siblings who became sick, they had to be hospitalized and while they were in the hospital their parents gave them ice cream as a treat, but soon after their condition worsened. They later found out the reason they were hospitalized was because the ice cream was contaminated with e.coli and while in the hospital the ice cream, same brand, they were given was also contaminated. Even worse was the siblings, who survived, had a rare genetic trait that was affected when they were infected with the e.coli and now they have lifelong, permanent disability due to that freak occurrence. This happened in the US, the mid-west I think and the result was diabetes or some sensitivity to drugs, I forget and can't find the article.

HeyLaughingBoy 17y ago
Google "salmonella vanilla" and you might find it. That's what it was called around here: I had a friend who used to work for Schwan's, the company that made the ice cream. Although I should note that the problem wasn't caused by Schwan's: it was their supplier who was sending them contaminated dairy products.

rbanffy 17y ago

That kind of company is what we get when we hire a manager that knows only about management and nothing about whatever he or she is managing.

maximilian 17y ago

I got e.coli after spending spring break in Mexico with my dad. I didn't get it as bad as this girl, but it was awful nonetheless. I was horribly sick for 4 days with diarrhea and vomiting and couldn't really eat or drink much. What is scary about it, is that it affects everybody differently and can do anything from giving cramps and the shits, to killing you. Ugh, it was awful.

bh23ha 17y ago

I consider myself a libertarian, however: Many big slaughterhouses will sell only to grinders who agree not to test their shipments for E. coli, according to officials at two large grinding companies Things like this keep reminding me that the free market is not perfect.

pstuart 17y ago
What free market?

davidw 17y ago

This is not the sort of "hacking" that the site's title refers to. What's it doing here?

alexgartrell 17y ago
If it doesn't fit, flag it.
- davidw 17y ago
  I do. But since I have plenty of useless karma to burn, I figure I might as well try and use it to do my small part to keep the site from turning into another reddit. And one thing that will keep that from happening is staying rigorously on topic. It's important to encourage people to do so.

hughprime 17y ago

While alarmism is always fun, it's worth taking a step back and comparing the risk of dying from a hamburger to the risk of dying from, say, a shark attack, or a bee sting, or being struck by lightning, or whatever your favourite unlikely cause of death may be.