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Hm. I'm thinking Mozilla may be a modern day NRA. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect the people from a government engaging in tyranny. The point

by grumpo 12y ago

Hm. I'm thinking Mozilla may be a modern day NRA. The point of the right to bear arms is to protect the people from a government engaging in tyranny. The point of TOR is ideally the same. Maybe it's time to classify encryption as a weapon again.

Retric 12y ago
Considering TOR was paid for by the US government I think your concerns might be misplaced. That or TOR is a massive Honneypot and .... NO CARRIER
- vilhelm_s 12y ago
  Several of the rifles that individuals in the US can own were also developed by the US government!
  - cookiecaper 12y ago
    The difference, of course, being that guns are much less complicated than anonymity software, and that only the gun designs are from the military, not necessarily the manufacturer, distributor, retailer, or anyone else that ever actually touched your physical weapon. The Tor project is still governed by a lab that takes government funding, and that can bias its decisions because it creates misaligned incentives. I'm not a tinfoil guy re: Tor, but you have to admit that the purchase of a government-designed gun is a lot easier to validate for reasonable safety than Tor.
meowface 12y ago
That's sort of true, except guns are used to assault while anonymity is used to defend.
- girvo 12y ago
  Anonymity can be used to assault, too.
  - meowface 12y ago
    Sort of, but only indirectly. It can be used to assault without repercussions.
  - jMyles 12y ago
    ...and guns to defend.
    - 01Michael10 12y ago
      Guns are NOT defensive weapons... You could be standing in the Starbucks line with any weapon of your choosing and I can just walk up to you and pull out a pistol and splatter your brains across the counter. No problem... EDIT - Why is my off-topic comment with an argument being down-voted in a reply to a off-topic statement with no argument is not? There must be a lot of gun lovers on Hacker News...
      - zobzu 12y ago
        Because your argument makes no sense at all to the majority (me included). A tool is a tool. Its how you use it that makes it good or bad. I tend to believe that people who see a tool as one that can only be used in one direction, to be the ones most likely to use it in that direction.
        hyperbovine 12y ago
        A tool that is designed to kill people is different from a garden trowel. Give me a break.
        01Michael10 12y ago
        Did your comment have something to do with what I posted? I was pointing out guns (yes, they are tools) are not good defensive weapons (the wrong tool).
        zobzu 12y ago

by grumpo 12y ago

Retric 12y ago

Considering TOR was paid for by the US government I think your concerns might be misplaced. That or TOR is a massive Honneypot and .... NO CARRIER

vilhelm_s 12y ago
Several of the rifles that individuals in the US can own were also developed by the US government!
- cookiecaper 12y ago
  The difference, of course, being that guns are much less complicated than anonymity software, and that only the gun designs are from the military, not necessarily the manufacturer, distributor, retailer, or anyone else that ever actually touched your physical weapon. The Tor project is still governed by a lab that takes government funding, and that can bias its decisions because it creates misaligned incentives. I'm not a tinfoil guy re: Tor, but you have to admit that the purchase of a government-designed gun is a lot easier to validate for reasonable safety than Tor.

meowface 12y ago

That's sort of true, except guns are used to assault while anonymity is used to defend.

girvo 12y ago
Anonymity can be used to assault, too.
- meowface 12y ago
  Sort of, but only indirectly. It can be used to assault without repercussions.
- jMyles 12y ago
  ...and guns to defend.
  - 01Michael10 12y ago
    Guns are NOT defensive weapons... You could be standing in the Starbucks line with any weapon of your choosing and I can just walk up to you and pull out a pistol and splatter your brains across the counter. No problem... EDIT - Why is my off-topic comment with an argument being down-voted in a reply to a off-topic statement with no argument is not? There must be a lot of gun lovers on Hacker News...
    - zobzu 12y ago
      Because your argument makes no sense at all to the majority (me included). A tool is a tool. Its how you use it that makes it good or bad. I tend to believe that people who see a tool as one that can only be used in one direction, to be the ones most likely to use it in that direction.
      - hyperbovine 12y ago
        A tool that is designed to kill people is different from a garden trowel. Give me a break.
      - 01Michael10 12y ago
        Did your comment have something to do with what I posted? I was pointing out guns (yes, they are tools) are not good defensive weapons (the wrong tool).
        zobzu 12y ago