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All these new internet options are quickly chipping away at the ISP oligopoly. Tell me again why we need a ham-handed federal approach to net neutrality?

by pvnick 12y ago

JoeAltmaier 12y ago
How can satellites compete? They have exactly one 'cable' for everybody - over the air. That doesn't scale; its already not enough. This will be some niche market for backups or secure link or something; it sure won't be streaming Netflix for hundreds of millions of people. Maybe for hundreds of people.
- pvnick 12y ago
  Add satellites to a quickly growing list of unforeseen options that includes google fiber, municipal broadband, etc. and collectively they will soon be enough to make slow/fast lanes a suicidal proposition for major ISPs. The whole raison d'etre for net neutrality is D.O.A. and trying to shove through a bloated set of internet regulations tainted by the corporate lobbying process that defines American politics is unnecessarily and likely damaging to openness and freedom.
  - JoeAltmaier 12y ago
    But they don't really add much. The bandwidth is infinitesimal, compared to your neighborhood cable in a medium-sized city. And they're godawful expensive. What's the point?
    - pvnick 12y ago
      The point is that the upward trajectory of internet-providing innovations is steep, and only getting steeper, which makes federal ISP regulations unnecessary and harmful to the prospects of small innovative competitors.
      - clavalle 12y ago
        Which small innovative competitors are being hampered?
a_c_s 12y ago
This service has to exist first before it can chip away at anything. Part of the reason the US regulated ISP's the way they did was the thought that different technologies could compete: Dialup/DSL, Cable, Power Line & Satellite. Unfortunately, internet over power line never panned out and satellite's latency and cost only make it worthwhile for a handful of people. (These are grouped by companies that control them) So our 4 options ended up as 2 because we counted our chickens before they hatched.
clavalle 12y ago
Because government regulation is sometimes the only effective counterweight to corporate abuse of power.

All these new internet options are quickly chipping away at the ISP oligopoly. Tell me again why we need a ham-handed federal approach to net neutrality?

by pvnick 12y ago

All these new internet options are quickly chipping away at the ISP oligopoly. Tell me again why we need a ham-handed federal approach to net neutrality?

JoeAltmaier 12y ago

How can satellites compete? They have exactly one 'cable' for everybody - over the air. That doesn't scale; its already not enough. This will be some niche market for backups or secure link or something; it sure won't be streaming Netflix for hundreds of millions of people. Maybe for hundreds of people.

pvnick 12y ago
Add satellites to a quickly growing list of unforeseen options that includes google fiber, municipal broadband, etc. and collectively they will soon be enough to make slow/fast lanes a suicidal proposition for major ISPs. The whole raison d'etre for net neutrality is D.O.A. and trying to shove through a bloated set of internet regulations tainted by the corporate lobbying process that defines American politics is unnecessarily and likely damaging to openness and freedom.
- JoeAltmaier 12y ago
  But they don't really add much. The bandwidth is infinitesimal, compared to your neighborhood cable in a medium-sized city. And they're godawful expensive. What's the point?
  - pvnick 12y ago
    The point is that the upward trajectory of internet-providing innovations is steep, and only getting steeper, which makes federal ISP regulations unnecessary and harmful to the prospects of small innovative competitors.
    - clavalle 12y ago
      Which small innovative competitors are being hampered?

a_c_s 12y ago

This service has to exist first before it can chip away at anything. Part of the reason the US regulated ISP's the way they did was the thought that different technologies could compete: Dialup/DSL, Cable, Power Line & Satellite. Unfortunately, internet over power line never panned out and satellite's latency and cost only make it worthwhile for a handful of people. (These are grouped by companies that control them) So our 4 options ended up as 2 because we counted our chickens before they hatched.

clavalle 12y ago

Because government regulation is sometimes the only effective counterweight to corporate abuse of power.