I won't contest that! But C is crazy enough that suggesting it as an alternative to C++ because C++ is crazy is, well, crazy. If you can handle the crazy of C,

I won't contest that! But C is crazy enough that suggesting it as an alternative to C++ because C++ is crazy is, well, crazy. If you can handle the crazy of C, you can probably handle C++, because the crazy specific to C++ usually at least converges to reasonable behaviour. I mean, you'll drive yourself nuts trying to wrap your head entirely around either language, so you may as well at least mentally approximate the one that gives you basic type-parameterization.