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You should add the licence on the website. It's a nice concept but I'll start using it as soon as someone creates a FOSS clone.

wirefloss 12y ago
Privacy policy added to the website FAQ. No data is gathered, no connections to the outside, except for a WINE repository for Ubuntu install.
swartkrans 12y ago
>It's a nice concept but I'll start using it as soon as someone creates a FOSS clone. I like FOSS, and am grateful for the work open source engineers put into software, and I have also contributed, but this attitude right here where you wont even consider something because it's closed source? What's the point of that? Why shouldn't an engineer be paid? It's very difficult to capture value with open source software. Please explain to me how they could monetize this on par with the effort put into developing this and still have it be open source. This isn't a service that runs in a website, this is something you download and run.
- develop7 12y ago
  > Why shouldn't an engineer be paid? shouldn't he? EDIT: fixed bad wording. sorry, English is not my native. > Please explain to me how they could monetize this on par with the effort put into developing this and still have it be open source. paid closed-source plugins supporting enterprisey protocols, paid support, custom functionality. these are from top of my head, so pretty sure wirefloss devs could think of something as well.
- Arkanosis 12y ago
  Can't tell for others, but I'm very reluctant to spend time learning a tool that I know from the beginning I won't be able to debug / improve later and that the owner may change in a way that doesn't fit me or even stop to support. The only non-FOSS tools I've been using on a daily basis for years are Gmail and Google Calendar. I can't tell I'm really happy with how they have evolved out of my control. Oh, and Google Reader — you know what happened to it… And it's really not about money. I'd be happy to pay a developer for some tool I use everyday if asked for. I already pay for music under CC or FAL.
  - res0nat0r 12y ago
    Even paying for software doesn't guarantee they are going to keep the product the way you like it (OSX, Windows). This attitude seems to think that open source is some magic wand and that it will be around forever just because it is open source. Open sourced code falls by the wayside all of the time, so I don't think this really matters in the scheme of things.
    - ossreality 12y ago
      You're missing the point so badly it seems intentional.
    - deeviant 12y ago
      With FOSS software, an enterprising and capable individual always has the ability to modify/update/or other wise change the software to suit their needs. I find your line of thought to hold little weight.
      - res0nat0r 12y ago
        Sure, and the parent I was replying to said he is happy to pay money for software he uses. I don't see why paying for closed source software (to encourage the dev to keep developing it and also to allow you to comment on what to improve) is a bad thing just because the project is not open-source.
        Arkanosis 12y ago
        It certainly isn't (it pays my bills). It just isn't an obvious good investment for some people (including myself).
    - Arkanosis 12y ago
      Paying gives no guarantee, open-source does. Some did not like Gnome 3, they created MATE. Some found GCC was too conservative, they created EGCS. And MariaDB. And LibreOffice. And ffmpeg… And… That's how you guarantee software will continue to fit your needs in the future. It's not paying for Microsoft Works that made people able to open *.wks files with Microsoft Office when Microsoft discontinued the former office suite (though they are some converters available). But it's open-source that made people able to open TrueCrypt files with CipherShed when the developers gave up. Even at my level, I'm able to tweak the tools for my needs. The last version of zsh is not available on AIX? I can build it myself (and send the fixes upstream). Vim doesn't provide the feature I want? I can add it (and who cares if it's not yet merged upstream? it still does what I want it to do, now).
- pyre 12y ago
  For starters, it looks like this could be an issue: Can I add support for stack Y myself? No but we’d be happy to talk about it. If this was FOSS, you could easily add support for your own stack rather than being at the mercy of their limited amount of time to work on it.
  - coryking 12y ago
    And who is really going to do that? Do I have time at my day job to port some network packet editor to the platform of my choice? Is management going to fund such an effort, or are they just gonna pay for the app?
    - deleted 12y ago
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    - gear54rus 12y ago
      If your management sees it as an opportunity to advance, why not? It's about having the ability to do so vs not having it because somebody else decided this for you.
    - rjgray 12y ago
      I presume by 'Stack Y' they mean a network protocol not supported out of the box, rather than a platform the editor doesn't yet run on.
      - wirefloss 12y ago
        Correct.
- simlevesque 12y ago
  They can release the free version as FOSS and release the paid version as closed source. I don't see how he would make any less money with an open source free software compared to a closed source free software. He's already said how he would monetize it, by offering a premium version with support like REHL. Also, I would not mind at all to pay a fee to use the normal edition and access the source. Free means libre, not gratis.
- easytiger 12y ago
  It is windows 7 only. So if anyone wanted to port it to OSX or Linux they would need to do a clean room implementation. Q.E.D.
  - reitanqild 12y ago
    https://wireedit.com/downloads.html https://wireedit.com/downloads.html ?
    - tokenizerrr 12y ago
      This is actually a good example. There are no linux ARM builds available, which makes this product useless for me. A lot of closed source software (cough sublime text cough) neglects the less common processor architectures, while with open source software I can usually just compile it myself.
      - reitanqild 12y ago
        I just pointed out that gp says it is Windows only which is obviously wrong.
        easytiger 12y ago
        I didn't say it wasn't but a build for a very recent Ubuntu the build is useless. Also it doesn't work for XP for which there can be no technical reason.
    - easytiger 12y ago
      If you are on any other glib version or on rh this won't work.

wirefloss 12y ago

Privacy policy added to the website FAQ. No data is gathered, no connections to the outside, except for a WINE repository for Ubuntu install.

swartkrans 12y ago

>It's a nice concept but I'll start using it as soon as someone creates a FOSS clone. I like FOSS, and am grateful for the work open source engineers put into software, and I have also contributed, but this attitude right here where you wont even consider something because it's closed source? What's the point of that? Why shouldn't an engineer be paid? It's very difficult to capture value with open source software. Please explain to me how they could monetize this on par with the effort put into developing this and still have it be open source. This isn't a service that runs in a website, this is something you download and run.

develop7 12y ago
> Why shouldn't an engineer be paid? shouldn't he? EDIT: fixed bad wording. sorry, English is not my native. > Please explain to me how they could monetize this on par with the effort put into developing this and still have it be open source. paid closed-source plugins supporting enterprisey protocols, paid support, custom functionality. these are from top of my head, so pretty sure wirefloss devs could think of something as well.
Arkanosis 12y ago
Can't tell for others, but I'm very reluctant to spend time learning a tool that I know from the beginning I won't be able to debug / improve later and that the owner may change in a way that doesn't fit me or even stop to support. The only non-FOSS tools I've been using on a daily basis for years are Gmail and Google Calendar. I can't tell I'm really happy with how they have evolved out of my control. Oh, and Google Reader — you know what happened to it… And it's really not about money. I'd be happy to pay a developer for some tool I use everyday if asked for. I already pay for music under CC or FAL.
- res0nat0r 12y ago
  Even paying for software doesn't guarantee they are going to keep the product the way you like it (OSX, Windows). This attitude seems to think that open source is some magic wand and that it will be around forever just because it is open source. Open sourced code falls by the wayside all of the time, so I don't think this really matters in the scheme of things.
  - ossreality 12y ago
    You're missing the point so badly it seems intentional.
  - deeviant 12y ago
    With FOSS software, an enterprising and capable individual always has the ability to modify/update/or other wise change the software to suit their needs. I find your line of thought to hold little weight.
    - res0nat0r 12y ago
      Sure, and the parent I was replying to said he is happy to pay money for software he uses. I don't see why paying for closed source software (to encourage the dev to keep developing it and also to allow you to comment on what to improve) is a bad thing just because the project is not open-source.
      - Arkanosis 12y ago
        It certainly isn't (it pays my bills). It just isn't an obvious good investment for some people (including myself).
  - Arkanosis 12y ago
    Paying gives no guarantee, open-source does. Some did not like Gnome 3, they created MATE. Some found GCC was too conservative, they created EGCS. And MariaDB. And LibreOffice. And ffmpeg… And… That's how you guarantee software will continue to fit your needs in the future. It's not paying for Microsoft Works that made people able to open *.wks files with Microsoft Office when Microsoft discontinued the former office suite (though they are some converters available). But it's open-source that made people able to open TrueCrypt files with CipherShed when the developers gave up. Even at my level, I'm able to tweak the tools for my needs. The last version of zsh is not available on AIX? I can build it myself (and send the fixes upstream). Vim doesn't provide the feature I want? I can add it (and who cares if it's not yet merged upstream? it still does what I want it to do, now).
pyre 12y ago
For starters, it looks like this could be an issue: Can I add support for stack Y myself? No but we’d be happy to talk about it. If this was FOSS, you could easily add support for your own stack rather than being at the mercy of their limited amount of time to work on it.
- coryking 12y ago
  And who is really going to do that? Do I have time at my day job to port some network packet editor to the platform of my choice? Is management going to fund such an effort, or are they just gonna pay for the app?
  - deleted 12y ago
    [deleted]
  - gear54rus 12y ago
    If your management sees it as an opportunity to advance, why not? It's about having the ability to do so vs not having it because somebody else decided this for you.
  - rjgray 12y ago
    I presume by 'Stack Y' they mean a network protocol not supported out of the box, rather than a platform the editor doesn't yet run on.
    - wirefloss 12y ago
      Correct.
simlevesque 12y ago
They can release the free version as FOSS and release the paid version as closed source. I don't see how he would make any less money with an open source free software compared to a closed source free software. He's already said how he would monetize it, by offering a premium version with support like REHL. Also, I would not mind at all to pay a fee to use the normal edition and access the source. Free means libre, not gratis.
easytiger 12y ago
It is windows 7 only. So if anyone wanted to port it to OSX or Linux they would need to do a clean room implementation. Q.E.D.
- reitanqild 12y ago
  https://wireedit.com/downloads.html https://wireedit.com/downloads.html ?
  - tokenizerrr 12y ago
    This is actually a good example. There are no linux ARM builds available, which makes this product useless for me. A lot of closed source software (cough sublime text cough) neglects the less common processor architectures, while with open source software I can usually just compile it myself.
    - reitanqild 12y ago
      I just pointed out that gp says it is Windows only which is obviously wrong.
      - easytiger 12y ago
        I didn't say it wasn't but a build for a very recent Ubuntu the build is useless. Also it doesn't work for XP for which there can be no technical reason.
  - easytiger 12y ago
    If you are on any other glib version or on rh this won't work.