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I see where you're coming from but I disagree. I accept people leave when their salary diverges more than a certain amount from the market rate but that would

I see where you're coming from but I disagree. I accept people leave when their salary diverges more than a certain amount from the market rate but that would normally - even in a good market - take time. Personally I wouldn't expect a major pay rise within the first 12 months of a job (if you do then you've probably not negotiated your starting salary properly). Add to that a couple of months after that to find another job and a month notice and the shortest stint relating to poor pay I'd expect is about 15 months. If you're staying 15 months or so in places which are bad payers and a few years in places which are good then your average is probably going to be 2-3 years. To me at least that's not a problematic amount of time (particularly not if you've shown you can stick at least place for 3 years or so because that says to me you're not inherently disloyal). So short stints don't say anything, at least not much, about money when I read a CV.

UK-AL 12y ago
It's simple logic, people move because they can better deal somewhere else otherwise there would be no point. So if people move, the benefits aren't keeping up with other jobs they can get. Most employees are not loyal, because they know companies are not. If they think companies are loyal, they are probably new to the job market. Once a project ends, and there's nothing else to work on they will get rid of you. There's no reason why employees should not think the same way.
- Tyrannosaurs 12y ago
  Obviously there is no one rule for everyone but personally in 20 years working in IT I've never left a job because of money (and I've left a few). I've left because of uncertainty, because the work was bad, because there were too many arseholes where I was, because my skills were rusting but never for money. In the past five years a fair number of people have left the company I work for and I'd estimate about 25% were money related. As I say there's no one rule but I've seen developers put up dreadful money for a job they liked and take a pay cut to get out of somewhere they hated and if I had to generalise I'd go with that over them following the pay cheque.
  - UK-AL 12y ago
    I never meant for money(one part of it), i said a better deal, or a better complete package if you will.
- Guvante 12y ago
  You are completely ignoring being laid off, that is a major reason to look at job duration.

UK-AL 12y ago

It's simple logic, people move because they can better deal somewhere else otherwise there would be no point. So if people move, the benefits aren't keeping up with other jobs they can get. Most employees are not loyal, because they know companies are not. If they think companies are loyal, they are probably new to the job market. Once a project ends, and there's nothing else to work on they will get rid of you. There's no reason why employees should not think the same way.

Tyrannosaurs 12y ago
Obviously there is no one rule for everyone but personally in 20 years working in IT I've never left a job because of money (and I've left a few). I've left because of uncertainty, because the work was bad, because there were too many arseholes where I was, because my skills were rusting but never for money. In the past five years a fair number of people have left the company I work for and I'd estimate about 25% were money related. As I say there's no one rule but I've seen developers put up dreadful money for a job they liked and take a pay cut to get out of somewhere they hated and if I had to generalise I'd go with that over them following the pay cheque.
- UK-AL 12y ago
  I never meant for money(one part of it), i said a better deal, or a better complete package if you will.
Guvante 12y ago
You are completely ignoring being laid off, that is a major reason to look at job duration.