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Wait, the developers are the most important? Then why is the initial filtering done by someone else? Why does the hiring manager have no time to waste on hiring

Wait, the developers are the most important? Then why is the initial filtering done by someone else? Why does the hiring manager have no time to waste on hiring? When it's time to do some real work that take time and discernent, it's the developers who do it. 'sounds familiar? Showing respect is not having someone who have no clue in JS libraries filtering CVs for JS positions, certainly not. They'll settle for famous education places. The candidate write without too many typos and show proper development skills and the hiring chain show proper hiring skills and get the hiring process as least stupid as possible. That's what I would call respect from both parties. Having a clueless HR person initially filtering the CVs for keywords in 15s is not showing respect. They'll have their role later, in managing the vacations, doing the pay stubs, calling some previous places for feedback, bugging the newly hired with red tape and managing the retirement plan, places where they make a difference.

dalacv 12y ago
They put HR in between the hiring manager so that said hiring manager doesn't just bring in all of his buddies.
Tyrannosaurs 12y ago
A few things: 1) Like all things it's a balance. Developers are valuable resources and I'm not going to dump 100 CVs on them when I can reduce that number. Aside from anything else they'd hate me if I did but also I can reduce that number without significantly reducing the quality. 2) In many cases these aren't HR generalists, they're recruitment professionals. They know about whether people are eligible to work, they know about qualifications, they can spot odd patterns and gaps in CVs and they can spot a well written CV. You mock spotting typos but how interested should I be in someone who sent out a professional document to someone they were trying to impress and didn't proof read it? How serious are they about the job? Are they going to send the same sort of thing out to my customers? Maybe it's just me but while it wouldn't exclude them outright for this, it raises alarm bells. 3) You can define basic rules which allow someone relatively non-technical to filter out complete time wasters. If a candidate hasn't listed JavaScript in any of their roles and I've asked for commercial JavaScript experience then I can reasonably conclude (1) they don't have it, (2) they do but not enough to warrant listing it (which is effectively 1) or (3) either they are an idiot or their communication skills suck because despite knowing it was relevant they didn't mention JavaScript when applying for the job. Whichever it is of those I don't think I need to waste a developer's time having them look at the CV - maybe they do have those skills and a developer could work that out but I could probably find someone who knew JavaScript who didn't also have the questionable decision making skills that led them not to mentioned it. Let's be clear, this isn't a stage where people making difficult, detailed decisions requiring specialist skills. This clearing what should be a relatively low bar to create a long list where those with real skills will get involved.

dalacv 12y ago

They put HR in between the hiring manager so that said hiring manager doesn't just bring in all of his buddies.

Tyrannosaurs 12y ago

A few things: 1) Like all things it's a balance. Developers are valuable resources and I'm not going to dump 100 CVs on them when I can reduce that number. Aside from anything else they'd hate me if I did but also I can reduce that number without significantly reducing the quality. 2) In many cases these aren't HR generalists, they're recruitment professionals. They know about whether people are eligible to work, they know about qualifications, they can spot odd patterns and gaps in CVs and they can spot a well written CV. You mock spotting typos but how interested should I be in someone who sent out a professional document to someone they were trying to impress and didn't proof read it? How serious are they about the job? Are they going to send the same sort of thing out to my customers? Maybe it's just me but while it wouldn't exclude them outright for this, it raises alarm bells. 3) You can define basic rules which allow someone relatively non-technical to filter out complete time wasters. If a candidate hasn't listed JavaScript in any of their roles and I've asked for commercial JavaScript experience then I can reasonably conclude (1) they don't have it, (2) they do but not enough to warrant listing it (which is effectively 1) or (3) either they are an idiot or their communication skills suck because despite knowing it was relevant they didn't mention JavaScript when applying for the job. Whichever it is of those I don't think I need to waste a developer's time having them look at the CV - maybe they do have those skills and a developer could work that out but I could probably find someone who knew JavaScript who didn't also have the questionable decision making skills that led them not to mentioned it. Let's be clear, this isn't a stage where people making difficult, detailed decisions requiring specialist skills. This clearing what should be a relatively low bar to create a long list where those with real skills will get involved.