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Getting ripped to shreds by a lion can be a genuine experience, but that doesn't mean I desire it. If you enjoy something you can buy with money, there is likew

Getting ripped to shreds by a lion can be a genuine experience, but that doesn't mean I desire it. If you enjoy something you can buy with money, there is likewise no need to taint the experience bleak simply because it was money that enabled you to experience it. I have no doubt that money changes the attributes of a thing sometimes, but so can any other attribute, including the way you collectively simplify a set of attributes and make a comparison to an ideal.

Retric 12y ago
Experience: A wonderful night dancing with a beautiful woman. Now add and subtract money and it's a very different experience even if everything else stayed the same. Compare walking down to the beach on a Friday afternoon after work and taking a week vacation to fly to that same beach and spending your last Friday evening walking around.
- emotionalcode 12y ago
  Experience: being a woman people have call beautiful; experiencing wondering whether I am persistently being evaluated on a superficial characteristic. We all can draw abstract lines in the sand and overgeneralize to have opinions and make points. It doesn't mean it tells the entire story, nor does it mean it's correct forever.
  - Retric 12y ago
    There are a lot of products and techniques that help people look more beautiful. However, at its core beauty relates to both age and heath and as such it's less superficial than is generally portrayed. Taking this back to buying experiences. IMO, there is basic expenses like buying gas or shampoo which don’t cheapen things. But the further extremes you go like plastic surgery or renting out a hotel not just a room you’re inherently worse off.
    - emotionalcode 12y ago
      You are judging this from the criteria of an average person living and spending their money. Plastic surgery might help someone with a physical deformity, and renting out a hotel might be a necessity for a scientific conference. You can't judge the value of a dollar based on the assumption that there exists an average person that spends it. For every frivolous act of spending you can conceive of, I can respond with a similar 'well intentioned / ethically sanctioned' act of spending, from a perspective you might not have been aware of, given you likely don't have perfect information about the state of everything in existence. It depends on who you think you are to judge how another person lives their life. What you consider essential and what you can live without is not the absolute for everyone.
      - Retric 12y ago
        I think your taking this well outside of the 'spending disposable money to increase personal happiness’ discussion. Remember this is in reference to the idea people don't become happier as they spend money because their spending it poorly. As such is reasonable to talk about heuristics vs getting tied into specifics.
        emotionalcode 12y ago
        I am questioning whether the definition of the heuristics influence the outcome. Self fulfilling prophecies and such. Specifics are necessary because it can determine whether something is a fundamental property of a thing, how it influences the definition of a thing, how that definition influences the perception of a thing, and the relationships that thing has with other things. A heuristic requires specifics to be defined, in order for it's definition to exist.
        coldtea 12y ago
        Maybe, but then you ventured off to outliers and special cases. What we want the heuristic for is the average case that you dismissed, which covers the majority of us. There is indeed a thing as a large majority with mostly similar experiences and status, not just an collection of unique snowflakes.
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Retric 12y ago

Experience: A wonderful night dancing with a beautiful woman. Now add and subtract money and it's a very different experience even if everything else stayed the same. Compare walking down to the beach on a Friday afternoon after work and taking a week vacation to fly to that same beach and spending your last Friday evening walking around.

emotionalcode 12y ago
Experience: being a woman people have call beautiful; experiencing wondering whether I am persistently being evaluated on a superficial characteristic. We all can draw abstract lines in the sand and overgeneralize to have opinions and make points. It doesn't mean it tells the entire story, nor does it mean it's correct forever.
- Retric 12y ago
  There are a lot of products and techniques that help people look more beautiful. However, at its core beauty relates to both age and heath and as such it's less superficial than is generally portrayed. Taking this back to buying experiences. IMO, there is basic expenses like buying gas or shampoo which don’t cheapen things. But the further extremes you go like plastic surgery or renting out a hotel not just a room you’re inherently worse off.
  - emotionalcode 12y ago
    You are judging this from the criteria of an average person living and spending their money. Plastic surgery might help someone with a physical deformity, and renting out a hotel might be a necessity for a scientific conference. You can't judge the value of a dollar based on the assumption that there exists an average person that spends it. For every frivolous act of spending you can conceive of, I can respond with a similar 'well intentioned / ethically sanctioned' act of spending, from a perspective you might not have been aware of, given you likely don't have perfect information about the state of everything in existence. It depends on who you think you are to judge how another person lives their life. What you consider essential and what you can live without is not the absolute for everyone.
    - Retric 12y ago
      I think your taking this well outside of the 'spending disposable money to increase personal happiness’ discussion. Remember this is in reference to the idea people don't become happier as they spend money because their spending it poorly. As such is reasonable to talk about heuristics vs getting tied into specifics.
      - emotionalcode 12y ago
        I am questioning whether the definition of the heuristics influence the outcome. Self fulfilling prophecies and such. Specifics are necessary because it can determine whether something is a fundamental property of a thing, how it influences the definition of a thing, how that definition influences the perception of a thing, and the relationships that thing has with other things. A heuristic requires specifics to be defined, in order for it's definition to exist.
        coldtea 12y ago
        Maybe, but then you ventured off to outliers and special cases. What we want the heuristic for is the average case that you dismissed, which covers the majority of us. There is indeed a thing as a large majority with mostly similar experiences and status, not just an collection of unique snowflakes.
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