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I can see from your profile that it's your thing to pipe up with Christian literature at every occasion. Don't get the impression you are providing a wonderful

by Luc 12y ago

I can see from your profile that it's your thing to pipe up with Christian literature at every occasion. Don't get the impression you are providing a wonderful service here; it's very annoying to see Christianity dragged into otherwise pleasant subjects.

michaelsbradley 12y ago
I try to cheerfully bring Christ and the Christian Faith into every dimension of my life, public and private, because I believe it is a good thing to do, regardless of what others may think of me and my words and actions, or whatever consequences may ensue. Of course, I try to practice good manners in every circumstance and to give due regard to the Savior's words: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." (Matthew 10:16) I can hardly imagine a better "place" than HN to share, even in some small way, the light of the Crucified and Risen. Also, I'm passionate about software development and information technology, so the HN scene is a natural place for me to hang out and share my ideas and concerns, on a variety of topics.
- Luc 12y ago
  Thread-shitting for Christ is not as awesome as you think it is. Doing this as a systematic project is bringing down the value of HN a tiny little bit with every one of your posts.
  - michaelsbradley 12y ago
    One of the things people do when discussing HN topics is share other resources that they feel have some bearing on the topic at hand; it also seems to be a common practice to offer alternative perspectives, complementary ideas and criticisms related to the OP or comments on it. I do my best to make sure that all my comments, whatever their nature, follow that pattern. So, no, I'm not trolling, or "thread shitting", or anything along those lines. If I didn't think my comments were relevant in some way, I wouldn't make them -- that's just basic HN etiquette. If you don't like what I have to say or think I am in fact trolling, by all means downvote my comments. Also, if my comments really bother you, feel free to implement a little script that filters them from view. You could even make it general purpose, put it up on GitHub and submit it to HN.
    - Luc 12y ago
      > One of the things people do when discussing HN topics is share other resources that they feel have some bearing on the topic at hand; it also seems to be a common practice to offer alternative perspectives, complementary ideas and criticisms related to the OP or comments on it. However, one of the things most people here don't do is use HN as a convenient platform to push their beliefs at every possible occasion. > feel free to implement a little script that filters them from view. No. You are the one with the annoying, spamming behaviour. Don't tell me to put up a spam filter. Stop spamming instead.
      - geofft 12y ago
        > However, one of the things most people here don't do is use HN as a convenient platform to push their beliefs at every possible occasion. I find that claim implausible... I see a lot of beliefs being pushed, like "Startup culture is great" or "Startup culture is awful" or "Those people should have a better security response story" or "Don't use tables for layout" or "MAC-then-encrypt is a mistake". I would expect that most people have pushed a belief one time or another. What I don't see a lot of is arguments about what is or isn't on-topic. That's what the downvote button is for, and it has a built-in mechanism to see if anyone else agrees with you.
        Luc 12y ago
        Perhaps I wasn't 100% clear. 'Pushing beliefs' is, I'm quite sure, commonly understood to be about religious beliefs, which are of a different class than 'belief' in CSS being superior to HTML tables. Proselytism on HN should not be okay. This is not something you'd want to leave to up and down votes, in my opinion.
        arkj 12y ago
        We all "push" beliefs, don't we? what else can humans do? After all michaelsbradley didn't ask you to be a christian or something like that; he just pointed out another resource, those who wish to read it may do so, there is no need to pick on him for this. Now you might say I'm "pushing" my belief, maybe rightly. In a sense all comments are at some deeper level are 'beliefs'. Personally I've found links to "different" views on HN threads pretty interesting, I may not buy the argument, but it's good to know.
- super_mario 12y ago
  Except Christianity is now a debunked lie, a failed hypothesis. So you mindlessly repeating the same old lies over and over again, like no one ever heard of them before, gets really tiring really fast. Perhaps instead of giving up to the mind virus so readily, you should try and read up on why Christianity is false and try to learn something we do know about the universe we live in.
  - super_mario 12y ago
    Amazing how every single time Christian sheep just downvote any dissenting view, but no one ever has the curiosity to ask "how do you know that" and what evidence is there to debunk Christianity, yet again confirming this whole "evidence based reasoning" business is completely foreign to them, which is why they are religious in the first place.
    - eli_gottlieb 12y ago
      Actually, I'm downvoting both you and Mr Online Evangelist. You know, people who really believe in naturalism and science don't feel the need to wave flags for "ATHEISM(TM)" or yack about "Christian sheep". You know why? Because we know damn well how the world is, so we don't have to BELIEVE(TM) in it. It's just how the world is. And one of the things about how the world really is, is that you can't change people's minds about the universe by calling them "sheep" or "sharing the Light of the Redeemer" or any such methods. None of this engages anyone in the intellectual and emotional calm needed to actually change their views based on reasoned discussion, nor does any of it provide evidence for, well, anything in particular. So please, just head off to /r/DebateReligion or something.
      - super_mario 12y ago
        What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Yes, we do know how the natural world works but it is tenet of Abrahamic religions (and Christianity in particular) that naturalism is not true. And I would not really care about it if these people left it at that. But these people get to vote too you know. What person believes influences strongly what they do and what they want. There is no such thing as a private belief. What you believe about the physical world and what you base your beliefs on determines how you behave, what policies you support, if you will deny scientific facts, what you want your kids taught in schools, etc. If that weren't enough some of these people find it irresistible temptation to "share" their delusions to the point they want their brand of belief instituted in laws and constitution of the country, and things like commandments displayed in schools and courtrooms almost like graven images. This is why they must be engaged in debate, discussion and idiocy of their beliefs pointed out. There is no polite way to tell someone that what they hold as most precious and dearest thing is false, and debunked. But it has to be done, esp. now that we live in times when we do know, are free to say so. And the only reason we are having this discussion is precisely because these people feel the need to discuss and share their beliefs, because they can't be happy until you believe it too, and until every knee bows. The stipulation to proselytize is in the holy books.
- shitehawk 12y ago
  Do you consider a Rastafarian's religious beliefs just as valid as yours? If not kindly piss off.

by Luc 12y ago

michaelsbradley 12y ago

I try to cheerfully bring Christ and the Christian Faith into every dimension of my life, public and private, because I believe it is a good thing to do, regardless of what others may think of me and my words and actions, or whatever consequences may ensue. Of course, I try to practice good manners in every circumstance and to give due regard to the Savior's words: "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves." (Matthew 10:16) I can hardly imagine a better "place" than HN to share, even in some small way, the light of the Crucified and Risen. Also, I'm passionate about software development and information technology, so the HN scene is a natural place for me to hang out and share my ideas and concerns, on a variety of topics.

Luc 12y ago
Thread-shitting for Christ is not as awesome as you think it is. Doing this as a systematic project is bringing down the value of HN a tiny little bit with every one of your posts.
- michaelsbradley 12y ago
  One of the things people do when discussing HN topics is share other resources that they feel have some bearing on the topic at hand; it also seems to be a common practice to offer alternative perspectives, complementary ideas and criticisms related to the OP or comments on it. I do my best to make sure that all my comments, whatever their nature, follow that pattern. So, no, I'm not trolling, or "thread shitting", or anything along those lines. If I didn't think my comments were relevant in some way, I wouldn't make them -- that's just basic HN etiquette. If you don't like what I have to say or think I am in fact trolling, by all means downvote my comments. Also, if my comments really bother you, feel free to implement a little script that filters them from view. You could even make it general purpose, put it up on GitHub and submit it to HN.
  - Luc 12y ago
    > One of the things people do when discussing HN topics is share other resources that they feel have some bearing on the topic at hand; it also seems to be a common practice to offer alternative perspectives, complementary ideas and criticisms related to the OP or comments on it. However, one of the things most people here don't do is use HN as a convenient platform to push their beliefs at every possible occasion. > feel free to implement a little script that filters them from view. No. You are the one with the annoying, spamming behaviour. Don't tell me to put up a spam filter. Stop spamming instead.
    - geofft 12y ago
      > However, one of the things most people here don't do is use HN as a convenient platform to push their beliefs at every possible occasion. I find that claim implausible... I see a lot of beliefs being pushed, like "Startup culture is great" or "Startup culture is awful" or "Those people should have a better security response story" or "Don't use tables for layout" or "MAC-then-encrypt is a mistake". I would expect that most people have pushed a belief one time or another. What I don't see a lot of is arguments about what is or isn't on-topic. That's what the downvote button is for, and it has a built-in mechanism to see if anyone else agrees with you.
      - Luc 12y ago
        Perhaps I wasn't 100% clear. 'Pushing beliefs' is, I'm quite sure, commonly understood to be about religious beliefs, which are of a different class than 'belief' in CSS being superior to HTML tables. Proselytism on HN should not be okay. This is not something you'd want to leave to up and down votes, in my opinion.
        arkj 12y ago
        We all "push" beliefs, don't we? what else can humans do? After all michaelsbradley didn't ask you to be a christian or something like that; he just pointed out another resource, those who wish to read it may do so, there is no need to pick on him for this. Now you might say I'm "pushing" my belief, maybe rightly. In a sense all comments are at some deeper level are 'beliefs'. Personally I've found links to "different" views on HN threads pretty interesting, I may not buy the argument, but it's good to know.
super_mario 12y ago
Except Christianity is now a debunked lie, a failed hypothesis. So you mindlessly repeating the same old lies over and over again, like no one ever heard of them before, gets really tiring really fast. Perhaps instead of giving up to the mind virus so readily, you should try and read up on why Christianity is false and try to learn something we do know about the universe we live in.
- super_mario 12y ago
  Amazing how every single time Christian sheep just downvote any dissenting view, but no one ever has the curiosity to ask "how do you know that" and what evidence is there to debunk Christianity, yet again confirming this whole "evidence based reasoning" business is completely foreign to them, which is why they are religious in the first place.
  - eli_gottlieb 12y ago
    Actually, I'm downvoting both you and Mr Online Evangelist. You know, people who really believe in naturalism and science don't feel the need to wave flags for "ATHEISM(TM)" or yack about "Christian sheep". You know why? Because we know damn well how the world is, so we don't have to BELIEVE(TM) in it. It's just how the world is. And one of the things about how the world really is, is that you can't change people's minds about the universe by calling them "sheep" or "sharing the Light of the Redeemer" or any such methods. None of this engages anyone in the intellectual and emotional calm needed to actually change their views based on reasoned discussion, nor does any of it provide evidence for, well, anything in particular. So please, just head off to /r/DebateReligion or something.
    - super_mario 12y ago
      What an incredibly stupid thing to say. Yes, we do know how the natural world works but it is tenet of Abrahamic religions (and Christianity in particular) that naturalism is not true. And I would not really care about it if these people left it at that. But these people get to vote too you know. What person believes influences strongly what they do and what they want. There is no such thing as a private belief. What you believe about the physical world and what you base your beliefs on determines how you behave, what policies you support, if you will deny scientific facts, what you want your kids taught in schools, etc. If that weren't enough some of these people find it irresistible temptation to "share" their delusions to the point they want their brand of belief instituted in laws and constitution of the country, and things like commandments displayed in schools and courtrooms almost like graven images. This is why they must be engaged in debate, discussion and idiocy of their beliefs pointed out. There is no polite way to tell someone that what they hold as most precious and dearest thing is false, and debunked. But it has to be done, esp. now that we live in times when we do know, are free to say so. And the only reason we are having this discussion is precisely because these people feel the need to discuss and share their beliefs, because they can't be happy until you believe it too, and until every knee bows. The stipulation to proselytize is in the holy books.
shitehawk 12y ago
Do you consider a Rastafarian's religious beliefs just as valid as yours? If not kindly piss off.