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Warewolf ESB opens code base for C# developers

11 points by Warewolf-ESB 12y ago

CmonDev 12y ago
Is there a way to succeed with a new ESB without going open-source by default nowadays?
- Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
  It's a good point! We wrote a blog post on a similar thing: http://warewolf.io/ESB-blog/6-reasons-take-software-open-source/ http://warewolf.io/ESB-blog/6-reasons-take-software-open-sou... All in all, we like the open source approach - it's a great win all round and seems to be the future of tech.
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  In any mature tool category where there are good open-source products, it is going to be hard to launch a new paid-for product.
SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
Googling for "Warewolf" is not a pleasant experience. Step one is to turn off the typo correction to "Werewolf". Step two is wade through the people who can't even spell "werewolf", e.g. "How can i become a warewolf? - Yahoo Answers"
- Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
  It's true! We need to get this piece right. Thanks for your feedback.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
    In fairness, if your project becomes wildly popular, then Google will correct this for you automatically.
custardcream 12y ago
"Build software 400% faster. Warewolf is a flow-based programming platform that allows you to build software applications 400% faster. This means you can achieve in 3 months what would normally take you a year. It’s as simple as drag, drop and configure with reusable components and prebuilt services." As someone who has dealt with NServiceBus, AppFabric, Windows Workflow, BizTalk and various IBM and Tibco piles of randomness etc, I have one word: nope. The three phases of ESB are: 1. Optimism and ease of use. Much like your blog tutorial in rails, it lures you in and makes it look easy. 2. Then there's the deployment phase, where you realise it actually hurts. This happens the second deployment when contracts are updated etc and you enter contract versioning hell. There are contracts however loose your API says it is. 3. Paralysis. No one wants to change the messaging layer because the cost of doing so is unadulterated pain and friction, so everyone works around it. This is all "in my experience" but that is perhaps unfortunately vast (several companies) and negative. An alternative: I don't think there is one for large systems but don't get your hopes up until you've been using something for a couple of years.
- jimmcslim 12y ago
  ESB = Erroneous Spaghetti Box
  - custardcream 12y ago
    That's a wonderful description and right on the mark :)
  - Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
    This is exactly the point! We're also tired of the complicated, messy service buses our team has worked with. That's why we're going after making it simple, easy to work with and valuable to any developer or business. Bring your passion and get involved at https://github.com/Warewolf-ESB/Warewolf-ESB https://github.com/Warewolf-ESB/Warewolf-ESB
- Sarkie 12y ago
  Looks like WSO2 which our CTO recommended, the thing I find with all these ESBs, is you don't want drag and drop, you want the moving parts of the system and understand them, not hide them all behind a TLA.

11 points by Warewolf-ESB 12y ago

CmonDev 12y ago

Is there a way to succeed with a new ESB without going open-source by default nowadays?

Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
It's a good point! We wrote a blog post on a similar thing: http://warewolf.io/ESB-blog/6-reasons-take-software-open-source/ http://warewolf.io/ESB-blog/6-reasons-take-software-open-sou... All in all, we like the open source approach - it's a great win all round and seems to be the future of tech.
SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
In any mature tool category where there are good open-source products, it is going to be hard to launch a new paid-for product.

SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago

Googling for "Warewolf" is not a pleasant experience. Step one is to turn off the typo correction to "Werewolf". Step two is wade through the people who can't even spell "werewolf", e.g. "How can i become a warewolf? - Yahoo Answers"

Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
It's true! We need to get this piece right. Thanks for your feedback.
- SideburnsOfDoom 12y ago
  In fairness, if your project becomes wildly popular, then Google will correct this for you automatically.

custardcream 12y ago

"Build software 400% faster. Warewolf is a flow-based programming platform that allows you to build software applications 400% faster. This means you can achieve in 3 months what would normally take you a year. It’s as simple as drag, drop and configure with reusable components and prebuilt services." As someone who has dealt with NServiceBus, AppFabric, Windows Workflow, BizTalk and various IBM and Tibco piles of randomness etc, I have one word: nope. The three phases of ESB are: 1. Optimism and ease of use. Much like your blog tutorial in rails, it lures you in and makes it look easy. 2. Then there's the deployment phase, where you realise it actually hurts. This happens the second deployment when contracts are updated etc and you enter contract versioning hell. There are contracts however loose your API says it is. 3. Paralysis. No one wants to change the messaging layer because the cost of doing so is unadulterated pain and friction, so everyone works around it. This is all "in my experience" but that is perhaps unfortunately vast (several companies) and negative. An alternative: I don't think there is one for large systems but don't get your hopes up until you've been using something for a couple of years.

jimmcslim 12y ago
ESB = Erroneous Spaghetti Box
- custardcream 12y ago
  That's a wonderful description and right on the mark :)
- Warewolf-ESB 12y ago
  This is exactly the point! We're also tired of the complicated, messy service buses our team has worked with. That's why we're going after making it simple, easy to work with and valuable to any developer or business. Bring your passion and get involved at https://github.com/Warewolf-ESB/Warewolf-ESB https://github.com/Warewolf-ESB/Warewolf-ESB
Sarkie 12y ago
Looks like WSO2 which our CTO recommended, the thing I find with all these ESBs, is you don't want drag and drop, you want the moving parts of the system and understand them, not hide them all behind a TLA.