>>But I do wonder one thing...did we quit on ideology prematurely? In reality we quit on the idea that society can be engineered, but we nevertheless retain th

>>But I do wonder one thing...did we quit on ideology prematurely? In reality we quit on the idea that society can be engineered, but we nevertheless retain the notation that individual actors can be engineered. For example, we reject the notation that the communist party can build a stable society but we retain social value that you shouldn't judge people solely on wealth. >>I can envision a society built around the pursuit of knowledge. Its hard to say what is and isn't knowledge, I shudder to think of a society based on research publications. This goes back to my first point. Its very hard to engineer a society. We can only hope to make reasonable actors.