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If only civilians in places like Pakistan could also say "don't fly drones here"

by hrasyid 12y ago

ajcarpy2005 12y ago
It's amazing how much our military seems to dehumanize innocent people. BTW, what's wrong with using police forces to stop terrorists?
- fit2rule 12y ago
  Where's the trial? Where's the evidence?
- zo1 12y ago
  I think they're referring to the collateral human damage. For the most part most will agree "using police forces to stop terrorists" is okay.
- marvin 12y ago
  (1) It's a violation of the rule of law to execute suspected criminals without a trial (2) Even if this was not the case, international law on affiliation with terrorist groups is sketchy at best (3) A multitude of drone strike victims have been verified by independent entities to be innocent civilians (proper innocent civilians, not innocent civilians in HAMAS's interpretation of the term) (4) It is in fact violation of Pakistanian law for foreign powers to operate military aircraft in Pakistanian airspace. This was determined by the Pakistanian supreme court, which the Prime Minister of Pakistan has actually been held in contempt of the court over. Soooo... I think point 1 is the most salient, but there are plenty of other good arguments why the global CIA military campaign against suspected terrorists is morally and legally dubious.
  - tomjen3 12y ago
    You are never going to win that argument against the military, unless you are able to come up with a better way to deal with the terrorists that doesn't put US soldiers at risk. As for the civilian deaths - well there are always civilian deaths for military action.
    - marvin 12y ago
      I'm not trying to win an argument with the military. Nobody wins an argument with the US military. It's the most powerful organization that exists, if you exclude the leaders to whom it is accountable. But that doesn't change the moral and legal facts, which are pretty clear.

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If only civilians in places like Pakistan could also say "don't fly drones here"

by hrasyid 12y ago

If only civilians in places like Pakistan could also say "don't fly drones here"

ajcarpy2005 12y ago
It's amazing how much our military seems to dehumanize innocent people. BTW, what's wrong with using police forces to stop terrorists?
- fit2rule 12y ago
  Where's the trial? Where's the evidence?
- zo1 12y ago
  I think they're referring to the collateral human damage. For the most part most will agree "using police forces to stop terrorists" is okay.
- marvin 12y ago
  (1) It's a violation of the rule of law to execute suspected criminals without a trial (2) Even if this was not the case, international law on affiliation with terrorist groups is sketchy at best (3) A multitude of drone strike victims have been verified by independent entities to be innocent civilians (proper innocent civilians, not innocent civilians in HAMAS's interpretation of the term) (4) It is in fact violation of Pakistanian law for foreign powers to operate military aircraft in Pakistanian airspace. This was determined by the Pakistanian supreme court, which the Prime Minister of Pakistan has actually been held in contempt of the court over. Soooo... I think point 1 is the most salient, but there are plenty of other good arguments why the global CIA military campaign against suspected terrorists is morally and legally dubious.
  - tomjen3 12y ago
    You are never going to win that argument against the military, unless you are able to come up with a better way to deal with the terrorists that doesn't put US soldiers at risk. As for the civilian deaths - well there are always civilian deaths for military action.
    - marvin 12y ago
      I'm not trying to win an argument with the military. Nobody wins an argument with the US military. It's the most powerful organization that exists, if you exclude the leaders to whom it is accountable. But that doesn't change the moral and legal facts, which are pretty clear.