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SmartDataCenter and Manta are now open source

56 points by porker 12y ago

4ad 12y ago
Wow! This is so unexpected. Congratulations (and thanks!) to all the people who made this possible. I am in your debt.
trentmick 12y ago
The list of open sourced repos, for those interested, is here: https://gist.github.com/trentm/ce1b6a9db28665f57413 https://gist.github.com/trentm/ce1b6a9db28665f57413
snw 12y ago
opensourcing sdc is great, but opening up manta for everyone is huge! Thanks!
23david 12y ago
cool. I poked around, but couldn't see how this supports docker containers at the moment. I assume that at least for now it just runs KVM linux vms that can run docker? Or is there a different way this is handled?
- bcantrill 12y ago
  Sorry if anything was unclear -- while OS-based virtualization is very core to SDC, there's nothing specific to Docker at the moment. That said, that's definitely trying to make SDC a good fit for production Docker deployments -- and if you want a sneak peek as to some of the technological underpinnings, see our work on LX branded zones in SmartOS.[1] Expect a lot more there in the coming weeks and months; all of our work there has been (and will be!) done in the open. [1] http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx
  - 23david 12y ago
    Cool. Are there any links to the project source for the LX branded zones work?
    - bcantrill 12y ago
      Yes, sorry -- it's all open, and lives in SmartOS, which doesn't necessarily have the most intuitive repo name: http://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent http://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent If you look at the commit log, you'll see this is a very active area of development. Also, you can find us in #smartos on Freenode if you have specific questions.
- j_s 12y ago
  These are Solaris containers / zones, which as you pointed out can host a full KVM Linux (which can in turn host docker containers). Someday docker may be extended to support Solaris natively, the same way Microsoft has committed to adding support for Windows.
- helper 12y ago
  Not sure what in the announcement you are referring to. The only thing it says about Docker is that it has brought move visibility to OS-virtualization. But, Joyent is infact working on docker support for SmartOS. They have revived an old Solaris feature called LX-branded zones that allows running linux binaries directly in SmartOS. Bryan Cantrill gave a talk on it at SurgeConf this year: video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrfD3pC0VSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrfD3pC0VSs slides: http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx
helper 12y ago
Wow. It is a huge amount of work to take a product like manta and open source it. This is great work by Joyent and a testament to their commitment to open source.
dap 12y ago
If people have questions, several of us Joyent engineers are watching this thread, so fire away. We're also hanging out in #smartos and #manta on freenode.
j_s 12y ago
Can anyone point to recommended hardware for this software? Solaris-family OS's do not have the same level of hardware support that the more popular operating systems enjoy. I would like to see an update to this discussion, 'Hardware Recommendation -- What Do Joyent and Others Run In Production?'¹ from Feb'2013: The ditches on either side of the road through the land of hardware are steep and home to manifold ferocious beasts. Stray from this golden path at your peril. ¹ http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/2013/02/sort/time_rev/page/1/entry/5:161/20130218134633:82C0ABBC-79FB-11E2-B214-A90A0365DAE4/ http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/2013/02/sort/ti...
- dap 12y ago
  For what Joyent uses in production, see http://eng.joyent.com/manufacturing/ http://eng.joyent.com/manufacturing/. For what's known to be compatible, see http://illumos.org/hcl/ http://illumos.org/hcl/.

56 points by porker 12y ago

4ad 12y ago

Wow! This is so unexpected. Congratulations (and thanks!) to all the people who made this possible. I am in your debt.

The list of open sourced repos, for those interested, is here: https://gist.github.com/trentm/ce1b6a9db28665f57413 https://gist.github.com/trentm/ce1b6a9db28665f57413

snw 12y ago

opensourcing sdc is great, but opening up manta for everyone is huge! Thanks!

23david 12y ago

cool. I poked around, but couldn't see how this supports docker containers at the moment. I assume that at least for now it just runs KVM linux vms that can run docker? Or is there a different way this is handled?

bcantrill 12y ago
Sorry if anything was unclear -- while OS-based virtualization is very core to SDC, there's nothing specific to Docker at the moment. That said, that's definitely trying to make SDC a good fit for production Docker deployments -- and if you want a sneak peek as to some of the technological underpinnings, see our work on LX branded zones in SmartOS.[1] Expect a lot more there in the coming weeks and months; all of our work there has been (and will be!) done in the open. [1] http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx
- 23david 12y ago
  Cool. Are there any links to the project source for the LX branded zones work?
  - bcantrill 12y ago
    Yes, sorry -- it's all open, and lives in SmartOS, which doesn't necessarily have the most intuitive repo name: http://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent http://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent If you look at the commit log, you'll see this is a very active area of development. Also, you can find us in #smartos on Freenode if you have specific questions.
j_s 12y ago
These are Solaris containers / zones, which as you pointed out can host a full KVM Linux (which can in turn host docker containers). Someday docker may be extended to support Solaris natively, the same way Microsoft has committed to adding support for Windows.
helper 12y ago
Not sure what in the announcement you are referring to. The only thing it says about Docker is that it has brought move visibility to OS-virtualization. But, Joyent is infact working on docker support for SmartOS. They have revived an old Solaris feature called LX-branded zones that allows running linux binaries directly in SmartOS. Bryan Cantrill gave a talk on it at SurgeConf this year: video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrfD3pC0VSs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrfD3pC0VSs slides: http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/illumos-lx

helper 12y ago

Wow. It is a huge amount of work to take a product like manta and open source it. This is great work by Joyent and a testament to their commitment to open source.

dap 12y ago

If people have questions, several of us Joyent engineers are watching this thread, so fire away. We're also hanging out in #smartos and #manta on freenode.

j_s 12y ago

Can anyone point to recommended hardware for this software? Solaris-family OS's do not have the same level of hardware support that the more popular operating systems enjoy. I would like to see an update to this discussion, 'Hardware Recommendation -- What Do Joyent and Others Run In Production?'¹ from Feb'2013: The ditches on either side of the road through the land of hardware are steep and home to manifold ferocious beasts. Stray from this golden path at your peril. ¹ http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/2013/02/sort/time_rev/page/1/entry/5:161/20130218134633:82C0ABBC-79FB-11E2-B214-A90A0365DAE4/ http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/184463/2013/02/sort/ti...

dap 12y ago
For what Joyent uses in production, see http://eng.joyent.com/manufacturing/ http://eng.joyent.com/manufacturing/. For what's known to be compatible, see http://illumos.org/hcl/ http://illumos.org/hcl/.