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Do you still believe in Santa Claus ? :) EDIT: The point is: The data from the Car is very valuable for lot's of parties including the Manufacturer and supplie

Do you still believe in Santa Claus ? :) EDIT: The point is: The data from the Car is very valuable for lot's of parties including the Manufacturer and suppliers.

spacefight 12y ago
Do you still believe, that spreading your data withouth any control throughout the world will make you safer in the end? What happens with and in a car is highly private and I wish that to remain as it is.
- sosborn 12y ago
  I agree with your general sentiment, but what happens with a car is decidedly not private. You are on public roads and more importantly, your driving affects the safety of others.
  - spacefight 12y ago
    I fully agree that the safety of my driving affects other. But that doesn't mean, that the future car must be connected nonplusultra at all. I can safely drive as if it was 1999 (or say 1990) and all I leak in data is the visual appearance of my car, the number plate and maybe how many persons are riding in that car. But where I go when and where and how long I stay there etc. etc. is none of the business of any vendor, any navigation company or any other SaaS out there running to enhance the future of driving. As long as we can opt not to choose, it's all fine, but as soon as I can't buy a new car anymore without all beeing connected and monitored (remember the voice feature here on HN about the Samsung Smart TVs leaking your private data like hell?).
- lmedinas 12y ago
  That's not the point. The point is with connected vehicles you have to share your data if you want the car to drive itself, navigation, services from Google, auto parking etc... There is no way you will own that data.
  - spacefight 12y ago
    Why not? Why can't there be a solution where you own and control your data to the full extend? Load an offline map, drive to your location, park done. Car GPS have done this for ages. I can't see why your future self driving car shouldn't be able to do the same. Heck, even if you download a current update of the trafic around you over the air, privacy _could_ be baked right into the product. It's not that we couldn't. It's waaaay more easy just to integrate your favorite cloud based engine, I see the pluses of that, but I also see the big big minuses attached to that.
  - maxerickson 12y ago
    Your fatalism is a self fulfilling prophecy. I don't know much about it, but HIPAA seems to be an example of legislation that at least tries to address personal information (in a way that protects the individual...). I guess it is even fairly easy to sketch out a set of rules. Something like no aggregation of data prior to an explicit opt in, a prompt and clear method of turning off the aggregation and a way to obtain any data that is being retained, along with toothy fines for violations.

Do you still believe in Santa Claus ? :) EDIT: The point is: The data from the Car is very valuable for lot's of parties including the Manufacturer and suppliers.

spacefight 12y ago

Do you still believe, that spreading your data withouth any control throughout the world will make you safer in the end? What happens with and in a car is highly private and I wish that to remain as it is.

sosborn 12y ago
I agree with your general sentiment, but what happens with a car is decidedly not private. You are on public roads and more importantly, your driving affects the safety of others.
- spacefight 12y ago
  I fully agree that the safety of my driving affects other. But that doesn't mean, that the future car must be connected nonplusultra at all. I can safely drive as if it was 1999 (or say 1990) and all I leak in data is the visual appearance of my car, the number plate and maybe how many persons are riding in that car. But where I go when and where and how long I stay there etc. etc. is none of the business of any vendor, any navigation company or any other SaaS out there running to enhance the future of driving. As long as we can opt not to choose, it's all fine, but as soon as I can't buy a new car anymore without all beeing connected and monitored (remember the voice feature here on HN about the Samsung Smart TVs leaking your private data like hell?).
lmedinas 12y ago
That's not the point. The point is with connected vehicles you have to share your data if you want the car to drive itself, navigation, services from Google, auto parking etc... There is no way you will own that data.
- spacefight 12y ago
  Why not? Why can't there be a solution where you own and control your data to the full extend? Load an offline map, drive to your location, park done. Car GPS have done this for ages. I can't see why your future self driving car shouldn't be able to do the same. Heck, even if you download a current update of the trafic around you over the air, privacy _could_ be baked right into the product. It's not that we couldn't. It's waaaay more easy just to integrate your favorite cloud based engine, I see the pluses of that, but I also see the big big minuses attached to that.
- maxerickson 12y ago
  Your fatalism is a self fulfilling prophecy. I don't know much about it, but HIPAA seems to be an example of legislation that at least tries to address personal information (in a way that protects the individual...). I guess it is even fairly easy to sketch out a set of rules. Something like no aggregation of data prior to an explicit opt in, a prompt and clear method of turning off the aggregation and a way to obtain any data that is being retained, along with toothy fines for violations.