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Jessie Freeze Policy

91 points by mike-cardwell 12y ago

buster 12y ago
I'm using jessie on my laptop and i am wondering what to do for the release switch. Should i change to "testing" now or stay on jessie, which becomes stable, and switch to the next testing later?
- nkuttler 12y ago
  That's really up to you. If you need your laptop to function, it's probably a good idea to stay on the newly released Jessie for a few weeks or months. After a release developers usually push major upgrades into the reposistories. That tends to break stuff.
- jws 12y ago
  I stay with the toy story named releases. That way I never get a surprise upgrade when the meaning of "testing" changes. You almost never want that, since when the name changes it is the early days of testing. Later when I need something from the next release, I'll upgrade to its name.
  - deleted 12y ago
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  - sophacles 12y ago
    Sid is a toy story character :P
    - pilif 12y ago
      That's fine, because sid is basically always the firehose of new packages. sid is always equivalent to unstable, so neither matters. But "testing" is dynamic. Before the release it's lenny, after the release it'll surprise-upgrade itself to whatever sid was at the branching point.
    - geppetto 12y ago
      also https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Which_Toy_Story_character_is_Sid.3F https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Which_Toy_Story_chara...
  - Siecje 12y ago
    Aren't they all Toy Story named releases?
    - rahimnathwani 12y ago
      I think he means that he has 'jessie' listed in sources.list, rather than 'testing'. The latter will refer to a different version when jessie becomes stable, and again when the next one becomes stable.
  - porker 12y ago
    Ohh, the naming suddenly makes more sense... though I'm entirely unfamiliar with Toy Story, Is there any way to tell (from the names) which are newer versions of Debian? Personally, give me version numbers any day ;)
    - stevekemp 12y ago
      Take a look at /etc/os-release, or /etc/debian_version for version numbers. Otherwise you'll need to look at Wikipedia for the list. Recently the releases have been: etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, and now jessie.
      - toupeira 12y ago
        Or simply consult the Debian website https://www.debian.org/releases/ https://www.debian.org/releases/
    - undersuit 12y ago
      No easy way exists like in Ubuntus' steady progress of alliteration through the alphabet. https://www.debian.org/releases/ https://www.debian.org/releases/ lists the releases by codename and version number all the way back to 2.0/hamm. At least you don't use Toy Story for your work computer naming scheme like my company.
nkuttler 12y ago
If you use the stable Debian release now it's time to start testing the transition. Make sure to get bugs that aren't discovered yet or vital to your operation reported or fixed. Don't complain if something in Jessie that's important to you breaks, help now to make sure it won't.
- chimeracoder 12y ago
  Could you elaborate? I'm on Wheezy right now on my Ultrabook (using just a couple of backports, but almost exclusively Wheezy at the moment). Are you saying that Wheezy users should migrate to Jessie to start finding bugs? Part of the reason I use Wheezy on this computer is because I know it's rock-solid and everything "just works". If I had another computer running Debian I would run Jessie or sid on it, but to be honest, I need to make sure that I have one computer that I can depend on reliably (which is why I use Debian stable to begin with).
  - jewel 12y ago
    If you're using Debian in a business environment, try upgrading a copy of your staging environment to Jessie to see what problems you encounter, so that they can be fixed before release. If you're using it on your desktop or home servers, you could also upgrade in order to contribute testing to the project, but only if you're prepared for some things to potentially break.
jestinjoy1 12y ago
Saw Jessie running on Asus touch enabled laptop. New GNOME looks promising. There were some minor bugs.
malkia 12y ago
I've croutonized two of my chromebooks with debian: one jessie, the other one sid - simply to access latest packages. Would "sid" now become the testing?
- Supermighty 12y ago
  Sid is always unstable. They'll create a new branch for Testing.
  - jcurbo 12y ago
    And sid is always unstable because in Toy Story, Sid was the kid who mangled and tortured all his toys.
- deleted 12y ago
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- xorcist 12y ago
  sid == trunk sid is then branched into a new codename which moves through the testing phase and then stable. "Testing" and "stable" are rolling names which always points to the branch currently in the testing or stable phase, respectively. (Well, simplified. There's also the experimental branch, but that's not something you can run. Then there's oldstable which is the phase after stable.)
bigbugbag 12y ago
is this the release where systemd expands its control to debian ?
- sp332 12y ago
  No. Already discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8487142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8487142
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AndyKelley 12y ago
After 4 months of hard work and joining both the Debian JavaScript Packaging team and the Debian Multimedia Packaging team, I have managed to get Groove Basin [1] accepted into Jessie [2], just in time for the freeze! [1]: https://github.com/andrewrk/groovebasin https://github.com/andrewrk/groovebasin [2]: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes.unstable/350643 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes....
- caboteria 12y ago
  Neat project, I think I'll take a look at running it on the new CubieTruck in my basement.
- Scramblejams 12y ago
  Congrats! Looking forward to trying it.
- williamscales 12y ago
  Awesome looking music player. I will certainly be trying out your project---and mille mercis for putting in the effort of getting it into Debian Jessie. That is really going above and beyond.
RandomBK 12y ago
It looks like OpenJDK 8 won't make it in time. Debian Stable won't have Java 8 in the repos for a while...

91 points by mike-cardwell 12y ago

I'm using jessie on my laptop and i am wondering what to do for the release switch. Should i change to "testing" now or stay on jessie, which becomes stable, and switch to the next testing later?

nkuttler 12y ago
That's really up to you. If you need your laptop to function, it's probably a good idea to stay on the newly released Jessie for a few weeks or months. After a release developers usually push major upgrades into the reposistories. That tends to break stuff.
jws 12y ago
I stay with the toy story named releases. That way I never get a surprise upgrade when the meaning of "testing" changes. You almost never want that, since when the name changes it is the early days of testing. Later when I need something from the next release, I'll upgrade to its name.
- deleted 12y ago
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- sophacles 12y ago
  Sid is a toy story character :P
  - pilif 12y ago
    That's fine, because sid is basically always the firehose of new packages. sid is always equivalent to unstable, so neither matters. But "testing" is dynamic. Before the release it's lenny, after the release it'll surprise-upgrade itself to whatever sid was at the branching point.
  - geppetto 12y ago
    also https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Which_Toy_Story_character_is_Sid.3F https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Which_Toy_Story_chara...
- Siecje 12y ago
  Aren't they all Toy Story named releases?
  - rahimnathwani 12y ago
    I think he means that he has 'jessie' listed in sources.list, rather than 'testing'. The latter will refer to a different version when jessie becomes stable, and again when the next one becomes stable.
- porker 12y ago
  Ohh, the naming suddenly makes more sense... though I'm entirely unfamiliar with Toy Story, Is there any way to tell (from the names) which are newer versions of Debian? Personally, give me version numbers any day ;)
  - stevekemp 12y ago
    Take a look at /etc/os-release, or /etc/debian_version for version numbers. Otherwise you'll need to look at Wikipedia for the list. Recently the releases have been: etch, lenny, squeeze, wheezy, and now jessie.
    - toupeira 12y ago
      Or simply consult the Debian website https://www.debian.org/releases/ https://www.debian.org/releases/
  - undersuit 12y ago
    No easy way exists like in Ubuntus' steady progress of alliteration through the alphabet. https://www.debian.org/releases/ https://www.debian.org/releases/ lists the releases by codename and version number all the way back to 2.0/hamm. At least you don't use Toy Story for your work computer naming scheme like my company.

nkuttler 12y ago

If you use the stable Debian release now it's time to start testing the transition. Make sure to get bugs that aren't discovered yet or vital to your operation reported or fixed. Don't complain if something in Jessie that's important to you breaks, help now to make sure it won't.

chimeracoder 12y ago
Could you elaborate? I'm on Wheezy right now on my Ultrabook (using just a couple of backports, but almost exclusively Wheezy at the moment). Are you saying that Wheezy users should migrate to Jessie to start finding bugs? Part of the reason I use Wheezy on this computer is because I know it's rock-solid and everything "just works". If I had another computer running Debian I would run Jessie or sid on it, but to be honest, I need to make sure that I have one computer that I can depend on reliably (which is why I use Debian stable to begin with).
- jewel 12y ago
  If you're using Debian in a business environment, try upgrading a copy of your staging environment to Jessie to see what problems you encounter, so that they can be fixed before release. If you're using it on your desktop or home servers, you could also upgrade in order to contribute testing to the project, but only if you're prepared for some things to potentially break.

jestinjoy1 12y ago

Saw Jessie running on Asus touch enabled laptop. New GNOME looks promising. There were some minor bugs.

malkia 12y ago

I've croutonized two of my chromebooks with debian: one jessie, the other one sid - simply to access latest packages. Would "sid" now become the testing?

Supermighty 12y ago
Sid is always unstable. They'll create a new branch for Testing.
- jcurbo 12y ago
  And sid is always unstable because in Toy Story, Sid was the kid who mangled and tortured all his toys.
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xorcist 12y ago
sid == trunk sid is then branched into a new codename which moves through the testing phase and then stable. "Testing" and "stable" are rolling names which always points to the branch currently in the testing or stable phase, respectively. (Well, simplified. There's also the experimental branch, but that's not something you can run. Then there's oldstable which is the phase after stable.)

bigbugbag 12y ago

is this the release where systemd expands its control to debian ?

sp332 12y ago
No. Already discussed https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8487142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8487142

deleted 12y ago

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AndyKelley 12y ago

After 4 months of hard work and joining both the Debian JavaScript Packaging team and the Debian Multimedia Packaging team, I have managed to get Groove Basin [1] accepted into Jessie [2], just in time for the freeze! [1]: https://github.com/andrewrk/groovebasin https://github.com/andrewrk/groovebasin [2]: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes.unstable/350643 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.changes....

caboteria 12y ago
Neat project, I think I'll take a look at running it on the new CubieTruck in my basement.
Scramblejams 12y ago
Congrats! Looking forward to trying it.
williamscales 12y ago
Awesome looking music player. I will certainly be trying out your project---and mille mercis for putting in the effort of getting it into Debian Jessie. That is really going above and beyond.

RandomBK 12y ago

It looks like OpenJDK 8 won't make it in time. Debian Stable won't have Java 8 in the repos for a while...