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I agree that Docker is easier to deploy than Openstack :) However... It always astounds me how some people massively over-estimate the size and influence of Do

by shykes 12y ago

I agree that Docker is easier to deploy than Openstack :) However... It always astounds me how some people massively over-estimate the size and influence of Docker's marketing... Why yes, of course! The way we got Google, Microsoft, Amazon and IBM to integrate it in their products is by ghost-writing PR fluff. That's also how we got 600 people to contribute 9,000+ pull requests over 18 months [1] [2] [3]. Not bad for marketing monkeys! Seriously - after seeing so many hackers work so hard to improve the project every day, the "it's all marketing fluff" crap always gets to me. It's just plain disrespectful. How much legitimate engineering work do you need to see before you start respecting other people's work? [1] https://github.com/docker/docker/pulse/monthly https://github.com/docker/docker/pulse/monthly [2] https://github.com/docker/libcontainer/pulse/monthly https://github.com/docker/libcontainer/pulse/monthly [3] https://github.com/docker/docker-registry/pulse/monthly https://github.com/docker/docker-registry/pulse/monthly

ithkuil 12y ago
Yes, and good engineering is also the art of simplicity; we should also respect engineering work by the amount of useless code they didn't write. Docker resonates well with people because it focuses on aspects of virtualization that people care: development and deployment. It alleviates the need of using complicated configuration management tools by providing layered images, and encourages fine grained containers by supporting first class volume sharing. The fact that it integrates well with other virtualization stacks is a proof that for a good part it's orthogonal to them.
peterwwillis 12y ago
I have two opinions: logical, and emotional. My logical opinion says that Docker is a useful tool which, though flawed in many ways, provides real value to a large number of users. I've even recommended Docker be used for new projects in my company, on the basis that it fits in well with what we're trying to do. My emotional opinion is that Docker trades on trends in startup-world, systems engineering and the open source movement for the sole purpose of eventually generating revenue. This capitalistic perversion of what were before two idealistic and noble things (open source, engineering) is, quite honestly, abhorrent to me. So to answer your question: while I might eventually respect its engineering accomplishments, I despise it on principle. I hope one day it turns into a simple useful tool that people can decide to use or not use without being cajoled by developer evangelists.
- zenlikethat 12y ago
  > My emotional opinion is that Docker trades on trends in startup-world, systems engineering and the open source movement for the sole purpose of eventually generating revenue. This capitalistic perversion of what were before two idealistic and noble things (open source, engineering) is, quite honestly, abhorrent to me. Except that the last thing anyone with a monetary stake in your business will do is tell you to open source your main product. The Docker project has fought damn hard, and continues to, to make sure that a carefully curated line between business and the open source project exists (see for instance the creation of the Docker Governance Advisory Board).

by shykes 12y ago

ithkuil 12y ago

Yes, and good engineering is also the art of simplicity; we should also respect engineering work by the amount of useless code they didn't write. Docker resonates well with people because it focuses on aspects of virtualization that people care: development and deployment. It alleviates the need of using complicated configuration management tools by providing layered images, and encourages fine grained containers by supporting first class volume sharing. The fact that it integrates well with other virtualization stacks is a proof that for a good part it's orthogonal to them.

peterwwillis 12y ago

I have two opinions: logical, and emotional. My logical opinion says that Docker is a useful tool which, though flawed in many ways, provides real value to a large number of users. I've even recommended Docker be used for new projects in my company, on the basis that it fits in well with what we're trying to do. My emotional opinion is that Docker trades on trends in startup-world, systems engineering and the open source movement for the sole purpose of eventually generating revenue. This capitalistic perversion of what were before two idealistic and noble things (open source, engineering) is, quite honestly, abhorrent to me. So to answer your question: while I might eventually respect its engineering accomplishments, I despise it on principle. I hope one day it turns into a simple useful tool that people can decide to use or not use without being cajoled by developer evangelists.

zenlikethat 12y ago
> My emotional opinion is that Docker trades on trends in startup-world, systems engineering and the open source movement for the sole purpose of eventually generating revenue. This capitalistic perversion of what were before two idealistic and noble things (open source, engineering) is, quite honestly, abhorrent to me. Except that the last thing anyone with a monetary stake in your business will do is tell you to open source your main product. The Docker project has fought damn hard, and continues to, to make sure that a carefully curated line between business and the open source project exists (see for instance the creation of the Docker Governance Advisory Board).