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Small test. Uploaded 2 files from my mac. Output from shasum: bead69d062c53436f19b6577ec7b524b9aa54445 DSC_0010.JPG 83ade975de96b81d272642740e06480fbc148

by ihiram 12y ago

Small test. Uploaded 2 files from my mac. Output from shasum: bead69d062c53436f19b6577ec7b524b9aa54445 DSC_0010.JPG 83ade975de96b81d272642740e06480fbc1484e1 DSC_0010.NEF Downloaded each file from Amazon Prime Photos. Filenames preserved. Filesizes the same. Output from shasum: bead69d062c53436f19b6577ec7b524b9aa54445 DSC_0010.JPG 83ade975de96b81d272642740e06480fbc1484e1 DSC_0010.NEF Lock-in and missing features aside, preserving the binary data is pretty cool, and it's honestly the most important thing when picking a place to store photos (for me). The most annoying thing was it treated the NEF and JPG files separately, and showed pictures twice in the UI.

swartkrans 12y ago
I'm pretty sure Dropbox doesn't change the binary data. What service changes it?
- LLWM 12y ago
  iCloud.
- arenaninja 12y ago
  Some time ago someone posted that SkyDrive (now OneDrive) did
  - nickbarnwell 12y ago
    Disclaimer: MSFT-employed. It's OneDrive for Business (i.e. SharePoint) that sometimes modifies uploaded files. To the best of my knowledge, OneDrive Consumer (http://onedrive.com http://onedrive.com) operates no differently than `rsync` would.
    - killerpopiller 12y ago
      how/why?
      - robododo 12y ago
        They are completely unrelated products, except for branding. Yeah, I know. Sigh.
        mieko 12y ago
        I've seen Microsoft employees across the web have to point this out a dozen times. "The New Microsoft" seems to be making better decisions overall, but it apparently didn't learn anything from the early-2000s ".net branding clusterfuck" which conflated their runtime platform, development tools, consumer-facing single-sign-on, and a few dozen other things in the mind of the public.
        larp 12y ago
        I think you nailed it. Perhaps out of hope but more likely Stockholm syndrome, over the last decade I seem to have got stuck in a cycle of: Blind love and hope for a new product of theirs, utter disappointment at the resulting clusterfuck after a week, hatred, switch to something else, miss it, go crawling back. Only just broken out of this loop but to be honest it knackered my productivity badly over the years. Ultimately I'm a sucker I suspect but the revelation that FreeBSD hadn't actually poked me in the eye once in the last decade had turned my hand finally. That and ruby. Yes I got tangled in DNA, ATL etc as well. Nothing but regret.
      - guelo 12y ago
        I think the rationale was some kind of Sharepoint tagging abomination.
      - katbyte 12y ago
        because onedrive for business runs on top of SharePoint document libraries and well.. they can do some "interesting" things to files.
        simplemath 12y ago
        Same with OneNote. It has a lot of great features... and a metrick fuckload of legacy creepy crawlies under the hood.
  - tkmcc 12y ago
    IIRC only OneDrive for Business (née SharePoint) did that, not the OneDrive consumers use.
kingnight 12y ago
For anyone interested, on iCloud Photo Library beta: Downloaded off device that image was taken with via Image Capture 3942cf85f43282ece05ee01ef82f3b245e1638e6 IMG_2273.JPG Downloaded via iCloud.com/photos 0271267eb3fe02a27398e20e285cf14a26333510 IMG_2273.JPG But probably the better test will be to see how files differ between iOS devices, and the Mac Photos.app when that is released. ... Running this through exiftool, the image downloaded via icloud.com/photos has the following EXIF stripped which is the likely cause of the above change: GPS Latitude Ref GPS Longitude Ref GPS Altitude Ref GPS Time Stamp GPS Speed Ref GPS Speed GPS Img Direction Ref GPS Img Direction GPS Dest Bearing Ref GPS Dest Bearing GPS Date Stamp GPS Altitude GPS Date/Time GPS Latitude GPS Longitude GPS Position
- walden42 12y ago
  Try stripping locally and see if the checksum matches.
  - kingnight 12y ago
    Oddly enough, I tried but was unsuccessful: exiftool -gps:all= IMG_2273.JPG ended up changing the Thumbnail Offset within that file, which is a protected EXIF item that I don't know how to change.
amalag 12y ago
.NEF files are not an included extension and are not included in the unlimited storage. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201634590 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2...
- willtheperson 12y ago
  I uploaded a .NEF and in the usage panel it shows I'm using 0 bytes of my 5GB and 1 photo of my unlimited photo storage. I have nothing else on my cloud drive. While not on that list, it seems raw files are supported
  - gerbille 12y ago
    Interesting. I emailed Amazon and received this reply: Currently the unlimited photo storage benefit includes most major image file types: JPEG, GIF, (both animated and non-animated), most common TIFFs, RAW, PNG, and BMP. This means at this time the .nef, .rw2 and .orf will be considered as unsupported format and will count against cloud drive storage limit. For more information about Cloud Drive Photos & Videos file requirements, go to: https://www.amazon.com/help/clouddrive/photos/filerequirements https://www.amazon.com/help/clouddrive/photos/filerequiremen... I've forwarded your comments as feedback to our Amazon Cloud Drive team that you want .NEF file type images to be included in the unlimited photo storage benefit so that they aren't counted against your Cloud Storage quota. We're adding more file types to the unlimited photo storage feature, and file types not compatible now may become compatible in the future.
  - rockybooth 12y ago
    I just looked at http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201634590 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2... and the "Note" mentions NEF as a supported format. I am still seeing errors "File size larger than remaining quote" when I try to upload NEF files, but JPG works fine. Not sure what the disconnect is.

by ihiram 12y ago

swartkrans 12y ago

I'm pretty sure Dropbox doesn't change the binary data. What service changes it?

LLWM 12y ago
iCloud.
arenaninja 12y ago
Some time ago someone posted that SkyDrive (now OneDrive) did
- nickbarnwell 12y ago
  Disclaimer: MSFT-employed. It's OneDrive for Business (i.e. SharePoint) that sometimes modifies uploaded files. To the best of my knowledge, OneDrive Consumer (http://onedrive.com http://onedrive.com) operates no differently than `rsync` would.
  - killerpopiller 12y ago
    how/why?
    - robododo 12y ago
      They are completely unrelated products, except for branding. Yeah, I know. Sigh.
      - mieko 12y ago
        I've seen Microsoft employees across the web have to point this out a dozen times. "The New Microsoft" seems to be making better decisions overall, but it apparently didn't learn anything from the early-2000s ".net branding clusterfuck" which conflated their runtime platform, development tools, consumer-facing single-sign-on, and a few dozen other things in the mind of the public.
        larp 12y ago
        I think you nailed it. Perhaps out of hope but more likely Stockholm syndrome, over the last decade I seem to have got stuck in a cycle of: Blind love and hope for a new product of theirs, utter disappointment at the resulting clusterfuck after a week, hatred, switch to something else, miss it, go crawling back. Only just broken out of this loop but to be honest it knackered my productivity badly over the years. Ultimately I'm a sucker I suspect but the revelation that FreeBSD hadn't actually poked me in the eye once in the last decade had turned my hand finally. That and ruby. Yes I got tangled in DNA, ATL etc as well. Nothing but regret.
    - guelo 12y ago
      I think the rationale was some kind of Sharepoint tagging abomination.
    - katbyte 12y ago
      because onedrive for business runs on top of SharePoint document libraries and well.. they can do some "interesting" things to files.
      - simplemath 12y ago
        Same with OneNote. It has a lot of great features... and a metrick fuckload of legacy creepy crawlies under the hood.
- tkmcc 12y ago
  IIRC only OneDrive for Business (née SharePoint) did that, not the OneDrive consumers use.

kingnight 12y ago

For anyone interested, on iCloud Photo Library beta: Downloaded off device that image was taken with via Image Capture 3942cf85f43282ece05ee01ef82f3b245e1638e6 IMG_2273.JPG Downloaded via iCloud.com/photos 0271267eb3fe02a27398e20e285cf14a26333510 IMG_2273.JPG But probably the better test will be to see how files differ between iOS devices, and the Mac Photos.app when that is released. ... Running this through exiftool, the image downloaded via icloud.com/photos has the following EXIF stripped which is the likely cause of the above change: GPS Latitude Ref GPS Longitude Ref GPS Altitude Ref GPS Time Stamp GPS Speed Ref GPS Speed GPS Img Direction Ref GPS Img Direction GPS Dest Bearing Ref GPS Dest Bearing GPS Date Stamp GPS Altitude GPS Date/Time GPS Latitude GPS Longitude GPS Position

walden42 12y ago
Try stripping locally and see if the checksum matches.
- kingnight 12y ago
  Oddly enough, I tried but was unsuccessful: exiftool -gps:all= IMG_2273.JPG ended up changing the Thumbnail Offset within that file, which is a protected EXIF item that I don't know how to change.

amalag 12y ago

.NEF files are not an included extension and are not included in the unlimited storage. http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201634590 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2...

willtheperson 12y ago
I uploaded a .NEF and in the usage panel it shows I'm using 0 bytes of my 5GB and 1 photo of my unlimited photo storage. I have nothing else on my cloud drive. While not on that list, it seems raw files are supported
- gerbille 12y ago
  Interesting. I emailed Amazon and received this reply: Currently the unlimited photo storage benefit includes most major image file types: JPEG, GIF, (both animated and non-animated), most common TIFFs, RAW, PNG, and BMP. This means at this time the .nef, .rw2 and .orf will be considered as unsupported format and will count against cloud drive storage limit. For more information about Cloud Drive Photos & Videos file requirements, go to: https://www.amazon.com/help/clouddrive/photos/filerequirements https://www.amazon.com/help/clouddrive/photos/filerequiremen... I've forwarded your comments as feedback to our Amazon Cloud Drive team that you want .NEF file type images to be included in the unlimited photo storage benefit so that they aren't counted against your Cloud Storage quota. We're adding more file types to the unlimited photo storage feature, and file types not compatible now may become compatible in the future.
- rockybooth 12y ago
  I just looked at http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201634590 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2... and the "Note" mentions NEF as a supported format. I am still seeing errors "File size larger than remaining quote" when I try to upload NEF files, but JPG works fine. Not sure what the disconnect is.