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It is sad that completely factual, sourced and on-topic comments get downvoted on HN just because they go against the political beliefs of downvoters who don't

It is sad that completely factual, sourced and on-topic comments get downvoted on HN just because they go against the political beliefs of downvoters who don't even bother responding.

_broody 12y ago
No, I don't get what yummyfajitas is getting from his own sources. The Oregon experiment article he linked to stated, verbatim, that 25% more people reported themselves healthier thanks to increased health coverage, and 10% better mental health. Yet he is using this link to claim better health insurance does nothing for poor people. Also, using a pre-2008 crisis census report to argue that everything is fine today is extremely intellectually disingenuous. It's almost like he's openly trolling.
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  Measured health outcomes did not go up, only self reported health did. Further, the increase in self reported health was present even before people had a chance to go to the doctor. Better health insurance makes people feel better. That's not the same thing as making them healthier. If you think the data changed between 2008 and the next AHS survey, feel free to prove it. Or just call me a troll, far less work.
  - _broody 12y ago
    > Measured health outcomes did not go up, only self reported health did. Further, the increase in self reported health was present even before people had a chance to go to the doctor. That's BS, that report only presents no change in points on some physical health metrics which are dependent on lifestyle and not medical attention anyways. > If you think the data changed between 2008 and the next AHS survey, feel free to prove it. Sure, have a go at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble It's clearly disingenuous to claim that the housing situation today is represented by a report concluded before the crisis where everyone lost their homes and/or jobs.
  - redmoskito 12y ago
    I don't understand. From my brief reading it looks like measured outcomes did improve significantly (see diabetes, depression, cholesterol). Am I misreading this?
    - yummyfajitas 12y ago
      The outcomes did not change statistically significantly. Note the CI's indicated on the graphs. Diabetes was diagnosed more.

It is sad that completely factual, sourced and on-topic comments get downvoted on HN just because they go against the political beliefs of downvoters who don't even bother responding.

_broody 12y ago

No, I don't get what yummyfajitas is getting from his own sources. The Oregon experiment article he linked to stated, verbatim, that 25% more people reported themselves healthier thanks to increased health coverage, and 10% better mental health. Yet he is using this link to claim better health insurance does nothing for poor people. Also, using a pre-2008 crisis census report to argue that everything is fine today is extremely intellectually disingenuous. It's almost like he's openly trolling.

yummyfajitas 12y ago
Measured health outcomes did not go up, only self reported health did. Further, the increase in self reported health was present even before people had a chance to go to the doctor. Better health insurance makes people feel better. That's not the same thing as making them healthier. If you think the data changed between 2008 and the next AHS survey, feel free to prove it. Or just call me a troll, far less work.
- _broody 12y ago
  > Measured health outcomes did not go up, only self reported health did. Further, the increase in self reported health was present even before people had a chance to go to the doctor. That's BS, that report only presents no change in points on some physical health metrics which are dependent on lifestyle and not medical attention anyways. > If you think the data changed between 2008 and the next AHS survey, feel free to prove it. Sure, have a go at it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble It's clearly disingenuous to claim that the housing situation today is represented by a report concluded before the crisis where everyone lost their homes and/or jobs.
- redmoskito 12y ago
  I don't understand. From my brief reading it looks like measured outcomes did improve significantly (see diabetes, depression, cholesterol). Am I misreading this?
  - yummyfajitas 12y ago
    The outcomes did not change statistically significantly. Note the CI's indicated on the graphs. Diabetes was diagnosed more.