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People do realize that this is going to mainly benefit large companies, right? Anybody who still scatters their resources across many CDNs and whatnot is probab

People do realize that this is going to mainly benefit large companies, right? Anybody who still scatters their resources across many CDNs and whatnot is probably not going to see a tremendous benefit. I'm not convinced that the 30-40% improvement in performance (in some cases) is worth the additional complexity. There are some nice features, but I can't help but think that this is something being pushed mainly by Google et al. because it benefits their server farms as opposed to being an objectively good idea. At least it should be relatively easy to setup on a server.

enneff 12y ago
You don't think the web being almost twice as fast is worth it? Really?
- angersock 12y ago
  Twice as fast, in some cases. I don't think--and again, this is just my opinion--that giving up the simplicity of the protocol that has somehow brought us in the last twenty years from barely functioning text to the modern web is a good idea. I believe that especially given that the big benefits seem predicated on very centralized authorities and large-scale companies. If you're Google or Facebook or Twitter, this is great. If you're anyone else, it's not really a huge win.
  - afro88 12y ago
    We're not giving up anything (1.1 support will be around for quite some time). The benefits won't be for small site owners, but for end users. At a guess, I'd say at least 60% of my daily web use is to big company sites (facebook, google, twitter, news organisations etc). This will result in a huge speed increase for most end users.
- m_eiman 12y ago
  30% faster... IF you've got your page split up into 78 requests on 12 different hosts using 1.2 MB. Btw, do they still have the special case handling of headers and whatnot that hardcodes today's implementation details and "best practies" into the protocol we're supposed to use for decades ahead?
  - cbsmith 12y ago
    > 30% faster... IF you've got your page split up into 78 requests on 12 different hosts using 1.2 MB. Take a look at the web page of any company in the content business that is actually trying to make the page pay for itself...
  - Nullabillity 12y ago
    My understanding of the presentation was that the "78 requests over 12 hosts" thing was a hack that the everyone would benefit from, but only big players could afford, with this just making it free/cheap/default.
nfm 12y ago
HTTP/1.1 will be around for approximately forever.
charleslmunger 12y ago
If you're a small web shop, having stuff like this fixed as a general solution in nginx and apache is a huge benefit. It means that spriting, domain sharding, and all the other hacks people do to reduce round trips aren't necessary any more, and average speed should improve.

enneff 12y ago

You don't think the web being almost twice as fast is worth it? Really?

angersock 12y ago
Twice as fast, in some cases. I don't think--and again, this is just my opinion--that giving up the simplicity of the protocol that has somehow brought us in the last twenty years from barely functioning text to the modern web is a good idea. I believe that especially given that the big benefits seem predicated on very centralized authorities and large-scale companies. If you're Google or Facebook or Twitter, this is great. If you're anyone else, it's not really a huge win.
- afro88 12y ago
  We're not giving up anything (1.1 support will be around for quite some time). The benefits won't be for small site owners, but for end users. At a guess, I'd say at least 60% of my daily web use is to big company sites (facebook, google, twitter, news organisations etc). This will result in a huge speed increase for most end users.
m_eiman 12y ago
30% faster... IF you've got your page split up into 78 requests on 12 different hosts using 1.2 MB. Btw, do they still have the special case handling of headers and whatnot that hardcodes today's implementation details and "best practies" into the protocol we're supposed to use for decades ahead?
- cbsmith 12y ago
  > 30% faster... IF you've got your page split up into 78 requests on 12 different hosts using 1.2 MB. Take a look at the web page of any company in the content business that is actually trying to make the page pay for itself...
- Nullabillity 12y ago
  My understanding of the presentation was that the "78 requests over 12 hosts" thing was a hack that the everyone would benefit from, but only big players could afford, with this just making it free/cheap/default.

nfm 12y ago

HTTP/1.1 will be around for approximately forever.

charleslmunger 12y ago

If you're a small web shop, having stuff like this fixed as a general solution in nginx and apache is a huge benefit. It means that spriting, domain sharding, and all the other hacks people do to reduce round trips aren't necessary any more, and average speed should improve.