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I suppose you could use an incorrect name and then not open it for enough time for any raid to happen. Down the line if your address was exposed you could clai

by barking 12y ago

I suppose you could use an incorrect name and then not open it for enough time for any raid to happen. Down the line if your address was exposed you could claim to have stuck them back in the mail unopened with return to sender written on them? I wouldn't like to be relying on that though.

ripb 12y ago
You could also use drop box services like Parcel Motel and maintain a degree of anonymity through it. Depending on how well you set it up, the only real chance of being caught is if the package was found in transit and the authorities decided to essentially set up a sting on the drop box and wait for you to collect it. However, for recreational consumer use, you're talking quantities that absolutely could not justify such an operation. The value in such an operation through a traditional drug dealing network would be that the person caught could serve up information on who they got it from. When you're talking about buying drugs anonymously online, none of that information will be available.
- _up 12y ago
  In Germany, DHL is offering what in the US is known as Amazon Lockers. And they got hacked and used for drug trading. After the money/bitcoin transfer you simply got the access code and could get your drugs like from a vending machine. Though they somehow got busted.
  - waterlesscloud 12y ago
    I would imagine they're also all in places with 24/7 video surveillance. The Amazon lockers here are in 7-11 convenience store, each of which has more video cameras than a fleet of drones.
    - _up 12y ago
      No they are outside. We have only very few places that are open 24/7. So it wouldn't work otherwise.
- barking 12y ago
  Wouldn't the parcel need to be bigger than letterbox size to justify a delivery to a parcel motel without creating suspicions on that basis alone? And wouldn't you then be into amounts exceeding recreational amounts?
  - ripb 12y ago
    No not necessarily. I use PM a lot here in Ireland, mainly for things that only have UK shipping available, or free shipping to the UK but not elsewhere, etc. PM is €3-€4 for a standard package, so what I'll regularly encounter is things on Amazon that are free delivery to the UK but quite a bit more expensive than PM to be delivered to Ireland. Things also seem to ship through PM drastically faster than through the normal postal service.
    - barking 12y ago
      It's occurred to me how similar this conversation is to this http://xkcd.com/538/ http://xkcd.com/538/ The real criminals will have the stuff delivered to some poor unfortunate who they've scared witless and not worry about the minutiae.
joosters 12y ago
That'd just be more suspicious than regular deliveries. Your mailman might think it odd that you are receiving packages for different names at your address...
- TimJRobinson 12y ago
  I've never lived in a house which didn't regularly receive letters for at least 5+ people who previously lived there. I'm sure your mailman nor any intelligence agencies keep notes on mail arriving with a different name.
  - joosters 12y ago
    Actually, since the NSA disclosures showed that they often photograph postal envelopes, I'm pretty sure that there are databases of names and addresses somewhere... But you make a good point - if you are going to invent a name, you should probably choose one of the previous occupants.

by barking 12y ago

ripb 12y ago

You could also use drop box services like Parcel Motel and maintain a degree of anonymity through it. Depending on how well you set it up, the only real chance of being caught is if the package was found in transit and the authorities decided to essentially set up a sting on the drop box and wait for you to collect it. However, for recreational consumer use, you're talking quantities that absolutely could not justify such an operation. The value in such an operation through a traditional drug dealing network would be that the person caught could serve up information on who they got it from. When you're talking about buying drugs anonymously online, none of that information will be available.

_up 12y ago
In Germany, DHL is offering what in the US is known as Amazon Lockers. And they got hacked and used for drug trading. After the money/bitcoin transfer you simply got the access code and could get your drugs like from a vending machine. Though they somehow got busted.
- waterlesscloud 12y ago
  I would imagine they're also all in places with 24/7 video surveillance. The Amazon lockers here are in 7-11 convenience store, each of which has more video cameras than a fleet of drones.
  - _up 12y ago
    No they are outside. We have only very few places that are open 24/7. So it wouldn't work otherwise.
barking 12y ago
Wouldn't the parcel need to be bigger than letterbox size to justify a delivery to a parcel motel without creating suspicions on that basis alone? And wouldn't you then be into amounts exceeding recreational amounts?
- ripb 12y ago
  No not necessarily. I use PM a lot here in Ireland, mainly for things that only have UK shipping available, or free shipping to the UK but not elsewhere, etc. PM is €3-€4 for a standard package, so what I'll regularly encounter is things on Amazon that are free delivery to the UK but quite a bit more expensive than PM to be delivered to Ireland. Things also seem to ship through PM drastically faster than through the normal postal service.
  - barking 12y ago
    It's occurred to me how similar this conversation is to this http://xkcd.com/538/ http://xkcd.com/538/ The real criminals will have the stuff delivered to some poor unfortunate who they've scared witless and not worry about the minutiae.

joosters 12y ago

That'd just be more suspicious than regular deliveries. Your mailman might think it odd that you are receiving packages for different names at your address...

TimJRobinson 12y ago
I've never lived in a house which didn't regularly receive letters for at least 5+ people who previously lived there. I'm sure your mailman nor any intelligence agencies keep notes on mail arriving with a different name.
- joosters 12y ago
  Actually, since the NSA disclosures showed that they often photograph postal envelopes, I'm pretty sure that there are databases of names and addresses somewhere... But you make a good point - if you are going to invent a name, you should probably choose one of the previous occupants.