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Used freebsd, netbsd and openbsd in the past. FreeBSD for desktop, netbsd for embedded and openbsd for firewall. I'm happy to see more headlines on BSDs these

by ausjke 12y ago

Used freebsd, netbsd and openbsd in the past. FreeBSD for desktop, netbsd for embedded and openbsd for firewall. I'm happy to see more headlines on BSDs these days, and I can't stop thinking it has something to do with systemd.

diltonm 12y ago
I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 and had to stop to check if systemd is installed, it is. Ubuntu operates the same for me today as 12 did. I don't have any issues with it. I wrote a Java system service the other day and installed it with the usual update-rc.d command like I've done in 12 and it runs fine so for me systemd has nothing to do with my choice to stay with Linux, Ubuntu specifically. It certainly wouldn't drive me away, I wasn't aware it was even there. Like Ubuntu, and Linux overall...it just works (apparently).
- feld 12y ago
  Desktop users won't notice or care. Those of us in the trenches doing sysadmin work will definitely notice.
- nisa 12y ago
  If you run Ubuntu 14.04 you don't run systemd. You have a process called systemd-shim that is some kind of compatability glue for software that requires systemd. http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-shim http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-shim If you want to try a real systemd system use a recent Fedora or Arch release.
vezzy-fnord 12y ago
Or because the BSDs have been making a lot of milestones lately? That said, I'd honestly be very interested in any numbers confirming increased interest in the BSDs as a result of systemd integration into GNU/Linux. It's widely speculated, but is there anything concrete to suggest it?
- feld 12y ago
  It's less about systemd and more about GPLv3 being rejected by companies -- startups included. The BSD ecosystem is much friendlier to businesses.
  - quadrangle 12y ago
    …friendlier to businesses… that rely on proprietary restrictions for their business.
    - feld 12y ago
      Yes, so? Anyone else can take the code and add their own proprietary features too. If they don't give back to the project it makes their life much harder.
      - dllthomas 12y ago
        I think the point was "not all businesses". "I run a business" and "I need to keep my code proprietary" are two different statements - neither implies the other (in any logical sense - there is manifestly some correlation).
  - pjmlp 12y ago
    > The BSD ecosystem is much friendlier to businesses. That keep their changes private.
  - Sanddancer 12y ago
    I'd argue the BSD ecosystem is friendlier in general. GPL has this odd hostile attitude to it that seems to have only gotten worse of late...a feeling of preparation for war. I'm recalling Sony's presentation on why they chose LLVM/Clang [1], where they rather hated that they had to work on so much in secret, because they couldn't collaborate with the community, even though they didn't have to. Compare that to the FSF's stunts like "Windows 7 Deadly Sins" and you see the rather blatant hostility that seems to run rampant in the GPL camp. [1] http://llvm.org/devmtg/2013-11/slides/Robinson-PS4Toolchain.pdf http://llvm.org/devmtg/2013-11/slides/Robinson-PS4Toolchain....
fidotron 12y ago
Having a few high profile companies reliant on FreeBSD has definitely helped. (Thinking of WhatsApp, Netflix and Sony).
- gonzo 12y ago
  and to some extent, Apple. Edit: FlightAware, as well.
  - smkelly 12y ago
    FlightAware here. We use FreeBSD as much as possible. We do have some instances of Linux where necessary. We have several people who have been involved with The FreeBSD Project in the past.
- donavanm 12y ago
  The BSDs show up in a lot of "appliances" as well. Up until a few years ago many load balancers were BSD based. IIRC Juniper is still a FreeBSD shop. Does yahoo still run with ybsd?

by ausjke 12y ago

diltonm 12y ago

I'm on Ubuntu 14.04 and had to stop to check if systemd is installed, it is. Ubuntu operates the same for me today as 12 did. I don't have any issues with it. I wrote a Java system service the other day and installed it with the usual update-rc.d command like I've done in 12 and it runs fine so for me systemd has nothing to do with my choice to stay with Linux, Ubuntu specifically. It certainly wouldn't drive me away, I wasn't aware it was even there. Like Ubuntu, and Linux overall...it just works (apparently).

feld 12y ago
Desktop users won't notice or care. Those of us in the trenches doing sysadmin work will definitely notice.
nisa 12y ago
If you run Ubuntu 14.04 you don't run systemd. You have a process called systemd-shim that is some kind of compatability glue for software that requires systemd. http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-shim http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-shim If you want to try a real systemd system use a recent Fedora or Arch release.

vezzy-fnord 12y ago

Or because the BSDs have been making a lot of milestones lately? That said, I'd honestly be very interested in any numbers confirming increased interest in the BSDs as a result of systemd integration into GNU/Linux. It's widely speculated, but is there anything concrete to suggest it?

feld 12y ago
It's less about systemd and more about GPLv3 being rejected by companies -- startups included. The BSD ecosystem is much friendlier to businesses.
- quadrangle 12y ago
  …friendlier to businesses… that rely on proprietary restrictions for their business.
  - feld 12y ago
    Yes, so? Anyone else can take the code and add their own proprietary features too. If they don't give back to the project it makes their life much harder.
    - dllthomas 12y ago
      I think the point was "not all businesses". "I run a business" and "I need to keep my code proprietary" are two different statements - neither implies the other (in any logical sense - there is manifestly some correlation).
- pjmlp 12y ago
  > The BSD ecosystem is much friendlier to businesses. That keep their changes private.
- Sanddancer 12y ago
  I'd argue the BSD ecosystem is friendlier in general. GPL has this odd hostile attitude to it that seems to have only gotten worse of late...a feeling of preparation for war. I'm recalling Sony's presentation on why they chose LLVM/Clang [1], where they rather hated that they had to work on so much in secret, because they couldn't collaborate with the community, even though they didn't have to. Compare that to the FSF's stunts like "Windows 7 Deadly Sins" and you see the rather blatant hostility that seems to run rampant in the GPL camp. [1] http://llvm.org/devmtg/2013-11/slides/Robinson-PS4Toolchain.pdf http://llvm.org/devmtg/2013-11/slides/Robinson-PS4Toolchain....

fidotron 12y ago

Having a few high profile companies reliant on FreeBSD has definitely helped. (Thinking of WhatsApp, Netflix and Sony).

gonzo 12y ago
and to some extent, Apple. Edit: FlightAware, as well.
- smkelly 12y ago
  FlightAware here. We use FreeBSD as much as possible. We do have some instances of Linux where necessary. We have several people who have been involved with The FreeBSD Project in the past.
donavanm 12y ago
The BSDs show up in a lot of "appliances" as well. Up until a few years ago many load balancers were BSD based. IIRC Juniper is still a FreeBSD shop. Does yahoo still run with ybsd?