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I don't speak Chinese at all, but my understanding is that the writing is common, only the sounds vary from Mandarin to Cantonese. So how does a piece of writi

by tacon 12y ago

I don't speak Chinese at all, but my understanding is that the writing is common, only the sounds vary from Mandarin to Cantonese. So how does a piece of writing like this help to preserve Cantonese? I would think that would take a song or spoken prose or something audible to maintain the Cantonese dialect. In five hundred years, if Cantonese speaking people have disappeared, will Mandarin speakers be able to read this graphic?

Gigablah 12y ago
Not quite. A simple example: "冇" (meaning "don't have") is not present in Mandarin. You can find a list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese
quantisan 12y ago
Cantonese speaker here. These are Cantonese (the region) proverbs much like "Bob's Your Uncle" is a quintessentially British saying that Americans wouldn't understand. On another note, mainland China (including Canton) actually uses simplified Chinese writing (which came out from the Deng Xiao Ping era) whereas Hong Kong specifically maintians the traditional writing. The difference is literally less strokes and simplification of the characters. The infographic here uses the traditional writing. Personally I feel the two writings are mostly close enough that people should be able to guess what the other means. And AFAIK, it's a 1-to-1 mapping anyway.
- lpsz 12y ago
  In the meantime, Taiwan maintains traditional Chinese writing while using Mandarin for speech. Table for clarity: Simplified + Mandarin -> Mainland China Traditional + Cantonese -> Hong Kong, Macau Traditional + Mandarin -> Taiwan
- yzzxy 12y ago
  Some of these proverbs are known in mainland China however. 隔墙有耳 for example is a Mandarin saying as well (though perhaps derived from original Cantonese?).
- spacehunt 12y ago
  It's actually a many-to-one mapping - going from traditional to simplified loses information, and people have to resort to natural language processing algorithms (mainly n-grams) when going back the other way. Also, many of the "simplifications" are based on Mandarin pronunciations, and were quite incomprehensible to me as a Cantonese speaker when I set foot into mainland China for the first time years ago.
- quantisan 12y ago
  I want to make a correction. It's actually Mao Zedong and not Deng Xiao Ping, which held power much later.

by tacon 12y ago

Gigablah 12y ago

Not quite. A simple example: "冇" (meaning "don't have") is not present in Mandarin. You can find a list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Written_Cantonese

quantisan 12y ago

Cantonese speaker here. These are Cantonese (the region) proverbs much like "Bob's Your Uncle" is a quintessentially British saying that Americans wouldn't understand. On another note, mainland China (including Canton) actually uses simplified Chinese writing (which came out from the Deng Xiao Ping era) whereas Hong Kong specifically maintians the traditional writing. The difference is literally less strokes and simplification of the characters. The infographic here uses the traditional writing. Personally I feel the two writings are mostly close enough that people should be able to guess what the other means. And AFAIK, it's a 1-to-1 mapping anyway.

lpsz 12y ago
In the meantime, Taiwan maintains traditional Chinese writing while using Mandarin for speech. Table for clarity: Simplified + Mandarin -> Mainland China Traditional + Cantonese -> Hong Kong, Macau Traditional + Mandarin -> Taiwan
yzzxy 12y ago
Some of these proverbs are known in mainland China however. 隔墙有耳 for example is a Mandarin saying as well (though perhaps derived from original Cantonese?).
spacehunt 12y ago
It's actually a many-to-one mapping - going from traditional to simplified loses information, and people have to resort to natural language processing algorithms (mainly n-grams) when going back the other way. Also, many of the "simplifications" are based on Mandarin pronunciations, and were quite incomprehensible to me as a Cantonese speaker when I set foot into mainland China for the first time years ago.
quantisan 12y ago
I want to make a correction. It's actually Mao Zedong and not Deng Xiao Ping, which held power much later.