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For one, there's a massive disconnect in distinguishing between the value of the currency and currency as a medium of exchange. For example, most sites and disc

by mbesto 12y ago

For one, there's a massive disconnect in distinguishing between the value of the currency and currency as a medium of exchange. For example, most sites and discussions focus on the value of BTC vs USD. Very few look at volatility and transaction volume.

wyager 12y ago
>Very few look at volatility That is fair. Do you think this is an insurmountable disadvantage? >and transaction volume. I don't know about that. Bitcoiners have been very vocal about the regularly increasing transaction volume since its inception. See https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popu...
- jevgeni 12y ago
  Using Bitcoin is basically, like using a foreign currency, with the only difference, that in case of a the conventional currency you might actually live in the country it is used. In other words, whenever you use Bitcoin you take on FX risk. This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term. Hedging that risk will also prove a major headache, since there aren't that many Bitcoin contracts out there, and the ones that are, carry some major credit risk with them.
  - furbyhater 12y ago
    It's different than most other foreign currencies in the sense that it's variance in value is MUCH higher than your usual currency. I would consider storing my personal fortune in CHF, JPY, USD, or even EUR but never in BTC.
    - jevgeni 12y ago
      Exactly, the volatility is why people wouldn't use it as a store of value. P. S. I like how you went "...or even EUR" ;)
  - wyager 12y ago
    >This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term. I can think of a reason you would want to. Bitcoin is strictly supply-limited, and all fiat currencies are not. One might decide that, despite Bitcoin's volatility, the expected change in unit value over time is higher than that of any (inflationary) fiat currency.
    - bigiain 12y ago
      With the difference that other fiat currencies are spectacularly unlikely to be declared illegal in your jurisdiction. There's a non-zero chance of your "bitcoin stored value" being about as desirable as a few suitcases full of cocaine, if your local laws fall that way. I wonder if tip4commit have even considered whether any of the unsolicited donations they're collecting for are intended for residents in any of the non-green countries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country ? If you're a contributor to an open source project and you live in Bangladesh, this is about as welcome as receiving illegal drugs in the post in return for your open source project commits. (Yeah, a bit of hyperbole there, but still...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country
      - wyager 12y ago
        >With the difference that other fiat currencies are spectacularly unlikely to be declared illegal in your jurisdiction. So we've gone from "it's volatile" to "it's maybe, potentially, illegal at some point in the future"? Well, there are a few reasons I wouldn't be worried about this. A) It's not likely that Bitcoin will be banned outright in most countries. B) If it were to be banned outright, you'd likely have plenty of notice and be able to sell it before the laws took effect. Also, it is not as if the project is actually sending Bitcoin to the developers; it is simply making it available for them to claim. A more comparable analogy would be if a sweepstakes in Colorado told me I had won some free marijuana; even though marijuana is illegal in my state, I am not legally culpable unless I actually claim the winnings.
        12y ago

by mbesto 12y ago

wyager 12y ago

>Very few look at volatility That is fair. Do you think this is an insurmountable disadvantage? >and transaction volume. I don't know about that. Bitcoiners have been very vocal about the regularly increasing transaction volume since its inception. See https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popular?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popu...

jevgeni 12y ago
Using Bitcoin is basically, like using a foreign currency, with the only difference, that in case of a the conventional currency you might actually live in the country it is used. In other words, whenever you use Bitcoin you take on FX risk. This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term. Hedging that risk will also prove a major headache, since there aren't that many Bitcoin contracts out there, and the ones that are, carry some major credit risk with them.
- furbyhater 12y ago
  It's different than most other foreign currencies in the sense that it's variance in value is MUCH higher than your usual currency. I would consider storing my personal fortune in CHF, JPY, USD, or even EUR but never in BTC.
  - jevgeni 12y ago
    Exactly, the volatility is why people wouldn't use it as a store of value. P. S. I like how you went "...or even EUR" ;)
- wyager 12y ago
  >This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term. I can think of a reason you would want to. Bitcoin is strictly supply-limited, and all fiat currencies are not. One might decide that, despite Bitcoin's volatility, the expected change in unit value over time is higher than that of any (inflationary) fiat currency.
  - bigiain 12y ago
    With the difference that other fiat currencies are spectacularly unlikely to be declared illegal in your jurisdiction. There's a non-zero chance of your "bitcoin stored value" being about as desirable as a few suitcases full of cocaine, if your local laws fall that way. I wonder if tip4commit have even considered whether any of the unsolicited donations they're collecting for are intended for residents in any of the non-green countries here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country ? If you're a contributor to an open source project and you live in Bangladesh, this is about as welcome as receiving illegal drugs in the post in return for your open source project commits. (Yeah, a bit of hyperbole there, but still...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Bitcoin_by_country
    - wyager 12y ago
      >With the difference that other fiat currencies are spectacularly unlikely to be declared illegal in your jurisdiction. So we've gone from "it's volatile" to "it's maybe, potentially, illegal at some point in the future"? Well, there are a few reasons I wouldn't be worried about this. A) It's not likely that Bitcoin will be banned outright in most countries. B) If it were to be banned outright, you'd likely have plenty of notice and be able to sell it before the laws took effect. Also, it is not as if the project is actually sending Bitcoin to the developers; it is simply making it available for them to claim. A more comparable analogy would be if a sweepstakes in Colorado told me I had won some free marijuana; even though marijuana is illegal in my state, I am not legally culpable unless I actually claim the winnings.
      - 12y ago