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Wow. This comment is a neat microcosm of what's wrong with modern "progressive" discourse. Let's take a look: • it starts with a personal attack—apparently giv
by tikhonj 12y ago
Wow. This comment is a neat microcosm of what's wrong with modern "progressive" discourse. Let's take a look:
• it starts with a personal attack—apparently giving any credence to conservatives is embarrassing?
• it completley ignores the underlying principles of individually liberty
• in fact, it completely steamrolls individual concerns in favor of abstract social groups
• it's unabashedly populist: instead of making a real argument, it's about "not embarrassing ourselves"
• it implicitly inserts the speaker as a defender for some nebulous "marginalized" groups, with no real basis
Of course, in this case, the marginalized groups are using social and legal pressure to suppress any dissent. Which isn't a product of being marginalized—and can't be justified by it either.
But I guess your views are so obviously correct that we shouldn't countenance any disagreement at all.
Long on pathos, long on populism and short on substance. And yet it's all too indicative of much of the discussion I hear in Berkeley, at the very least. (Fancy that.)
It's also disturbingly unwilling to consider any contrary opinions. Apparently that would be letting someone (other than you, of course!) "set the narrative".
The scariest thing is that this is exactly the sort of reasoning used to justify taking away people's rights. And, at least for now, it seems to be working.
I can't even tell if you're being entirely serious, or I'm just missing the parody and tearing down a straw man.
- dmazin 12y agoPerhaps you would be better off no longer showing up at my house, which is in Berkeley, where I (personally) do not welcome you any longer. You have expressed questionable, unchecked views previously, besides this, e.g. your worrisome views on Julie Ann Horvath's treatment. Sorry I'm ruining your HN by challenging that many of the articles posted here are about marginalized groups, rather than by marginalized groups. Edit: I reread this and note that this is NOT a threat. You would face no aggression coming to my house, I meant that if Berkeley's discussions are too progressive for you, perhaps my house where I live is not your kinda thing.
- tikhonj 12y agoOh yes, heaven forfend that you ever have to interact with people that you disagree with. Then again, I suppose it is consistent, at the very least.
- dmazin 12y agoI interact with a lot of people I disagree with! But there is a certain level I expect. Either way you turned me into a straw man - claiming that I'm making this about personal liberty, rather than steering the narrative away from hearing only from the loudest voices (like op).
- unchocked 12y agoAre you trying to turd-in-the-punchbowl the neoliberal position here? Because you come off as a bad caricature of it.