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First strong trip I had I threw my laptop across the room immediately, more symbolically than anything. There's no real knowledge to be found in them.

hoers 12y ago
>There's no real knowledge to be found in them. Bit of a strong statement based on one personal experience. I'm a psychologist and find psychedelics extremely interesting, both from personal experience, a wide range of other peoples accounts and a growing number scientific papers[1], especially Johns Hopkins University is doing some great work in that respect. Maps.org is also a good resource. [1] http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-006-0457-5 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-006-0457-5 http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/16/magic-mushrooms-can-improve-psychological-health-long-term/ http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/16/magic-mushrooms-can-im... http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/09/11/magic-mushrooms-smoking http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/09/11/magic-mushrooms-smoking Edit: There is of course a lot of (mostly) anecdotal evidence for the bad sides of psychedelics but that seems to be attributed largely to the good old "set & setting" (and of course substance purity & quality). In traditional and especially medical contexts the occurence of "bad trips" and long term negative effects is extremely rare. If you decide to try them on your own, do your homework, read up as much as you can and do them in a safe environment with people you trust.
- nwienert 12y ago
  Upvote for you, I meant no real knowledge in the machines, not the drugs. That trip alone changed my life, and opened me up to many new things. Just badly worded on my part. I think computers are a source of a ton of information, but no knowledge. I realized then that real knowledge comes from physical experience and thought, and never from studying.
davidtanner 12y ago
Do you mean that there is no real knowledge to be found in computers?
- politician 12y ago
  I read it as, "I realized that there was no real knowledge to be found in computers, and in a symbolic gesture, threw the laptop across the room."
  - nwienert 12y ago
    Yes, correct. Poorly worded on my part.
fapjacks 12y ago
As an infantry veteran with multiple combat tours behind me, I have to say that psychedelics (and mushrooms in particular) are the one of the strongest forces grounding me to reality and bringing calm to my everyday life. You may be right that there's no knowledge to be found in mushrooms, but there's heaps of wisdom to be had -- about yourself, the people around you, and the universe generally -- if you're willing to listen.
- nwienert 12y ago
  Haha sorry, I really messed that one up. I meant this: There's no knowledge in the machines. There is immense knowledge to be gained in a trip, I had just realized how little a machine could provide me while tripping.

hoers 12y ago

>There's no real knowledge to be found in them. Bit of a strong statement based on one personal experience. I'm a psychologist and find psychedelics extremely interesting, both from personal experience, a wide range of other peoples accounts and a growing number scientific papers[1], especially Johns Hopkins University is doing some great work in that respect. Maps.org is also a good resource. [1] http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-006-0457-5 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00213-006-0457-5 http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/16/magic-mushrooms-can-improve-psychological-health-long-term/ http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/16/magic-mushrooms-can-im... http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/09/11/magic-mushrooms-smoking http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/09/11/magic-mushrooms-smoking Edit: There is of course a lot of (mostly) anecdotal evidence for the bad sides of psychedelics but that seems to be attributed largely to the good old "set & setting" (and of course substance purity & quality). In traditional and especially medical contexts the occurence of "bad trips" and long term negative effects is extremely rare. If you decide to try them on your own, do your homework, read up as much as you can and do them in a safe environment with people you trust.

nwienert 12y ago
Upvote for you, I meant no real knowledge in the machines, not the drugs. That trip alone changed my life, and opened me up to many new things. Just badly worded on my part. I think computers are a source of a ton of information, but no knowledge. I realized then that real knowledge comes from physical experience and thought, and never from studying.

davidtanner 12y ago

Do you mean that there is no real knowledge to be found in computers?

politician 12y ago
I read it as, "I realized that there was no real knowledge to be found in computers, and in a symbolic gesture, threw the laptop across the room."
- nwienert 12y ago
  Yes, correct. Poorly worded on my part.

fapjacks 12y ago

As an infantry veteran with multiple combat tours behind me, I have to say that psychedelics (and mushrooms in particular) are the one of the strongest forces grounding me to reality and bringing calm to my everyday life. You may be right that there's no knowledge to be found in mushrooms, but there's heaps of wisdom to be had -- about yourself, the people around you, and the universe generally -- if you're willing to listen.

nwienert 12y ago
Haha sorry, I really messed that one up. I meant this: There's no knowledge in the machines. There is immense knowledge to be gained in a trip, I had just realized how little a machine could provide me while tripping.