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You're quoting a rather meaningless poll given the low sample size: "The latest Field Poll was completed February 5-17, 2013 among 834 registered voters in Cali

You're quoting a rather meaningless poll given the low sample size: "The latest Field Poll was completed February 5-17, 2013 among 834 registered voters in California." Since we're quoting statistics, here are some from the CDC. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) represent approximately 2% of the United States population... In 2010, gay and bisexual men accounted for 63% of estimated new HIV infections in the United States and 78% of infections among all newly infected men. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/ http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/msm/facts/ In 2012, there were almost 9,000 cases of syphilis, and 84 percent of them were among gay and bisexual men http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/news/20140509/syphilis-cases-climbing-among-gay-men-cdc http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/news/20140509/syphili... My friends (who are gay) tell me there is a growing complacency amongst their younger gay friends, that HIV is seen as a long-term chronic condition rather than a killer disease. The results can be seen above. Why does the issue of marriage dominate media headlines but not a peep about health? How much funding has gone into the campaign to legalise gay marriage versus educating people on safer sex?

aaronbrethorst 12y ago
From the poll I cited: The maximum sampling error estimates for results based on the overall sample of 834 registered voters have a sampling error of +/- 3.5 percentage points, while findings from the random subsample of 415 voters have a sampling error of +/- 5.0 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf FiveThirtyEight rates Field Poll (at least for political races) as being "A+": http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/ Your references to incidence of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men are something of a non sequitur, and—I think—underscore the value of extending the institution of marriage given that one might reasonably expect that enabling an at-risk population to engage in a social institution commonly associated with monogamy should only serve to decrease rates of transmission. My friends (who are gay) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument Also, why would you want your friends to be deprived of a right you enjoy? I regularly see billboards in my neighborhood targeting young gay men to be tested for HIV. I bet that risk of transmission would be further lowered if the stigma associated with being gay was further reduced or entirely eliminated.
- notjackma 12y ago
  We're going to have to agree to disagree - I think 834 people is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions. Btw, if the campaign for "marriage equality" were truly about equality, it would also include polygamous heterosexual families in Utah looking for recognition in law, as well as religions where marriage partners can be under 18. Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has a narrow definition of equality and should be renamed the campaign for "same-sex marriage".
  - aaronbrethorst 12y ago
    As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once put it, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Spend a few minutes reading about polling methodologies and playing around with a sample size calculator. California's number of registered voters was around 18.25 million in 2012. Put in 19 million if you're feeling generous to your own opinions. Also, all 50 states allow minors to wed with parental consent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_State... Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has a narrow definition of equality and should be renamed the campaign for "same-sex marriage". Sure, ok, whatever.
    - notjackma 12y ago
      So you can get married without having to ask for anyone's permission. Yet individuals who are 16 or 17 years old, need parental consent, before getting married. How is this "equal"?
      - aaronbrethorst 12y ago
        They're minors. There is no equality. No one is debating that minors should be extended the full set of rights accorded to legal adults. The only time in the last 50 years this came up for debate was when 18-20 year olds were being sent off to die in a conflict that they couldn't vote against.

aaronbrethorst 12y ago

From the poll I cited: The maximum sampling error estimates for results based on the overall sample of 834 registered voters have a sampling error of +/- 3.5 percentage points, while findings from the random subsample of 415 voters have a sampling error of +/- 5.0 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2443.pdf FiveThirtyEight rates Field Poll (at least for political races) as being "A+": http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/ Your references to incidence of HIV and syphilis among gay and bisexual men are something of a non sequitur, and—I think—underscore the value of extending the institution of marriage given that one might reasonably expect that enabling an at-risk population to engage in a social institution commonly associated with monogamy should only serve to decrease rates of transmission. My friends (who are gay) http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument Also, why would you want your friends to be deprived of a right you enjoy? I regularly see billboards in my neighborhood targeting young gay men to be tested for HIV. I bet that risk of transmission would be further lowered if the stigma associated with being gay was further reduced or entirely eliminated.

notjackma 12y ago
We're going to have to agree to disagree - I think 834 people is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions. Btw, if the campaign for "marriage equality" were truly about equality, it would also include polygamous heterosexual families in Utah looking for recognition in law, as well as religions where marriage partners can be under 18. Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has a narrow definition of equality and should be renamed the campaign for "same-sex marriage".
- aaronbrethorst 12y ago
  As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once put it, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. Spend a few minutes reading about polling methodologies and playing around with a sample size calculator. California's number of registered voters was around 18.25 million in 2012. Put in 19 million if you're feeling generous to your own opinions. Also, all 50 states allow minors to wed with parental consent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_States_of_America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_United_State... Thus the campaign for "marriage equality" has a narrow definition of equality and should be renamed the campaign for "same-sex marriage". Sure, ok, whatever.
  - notjackma 12y ago
    So you can get married without having to ask for anyone's permission. Yet individuals who are 16 or 17 years old, need parental consent, before getting married. How is this "equal"?
    - aaronbrethorst 12y ago
      They're minors. There is no equality. No one is debating that minors should be extended the full set of rights accorded to legal adults. The only time in the last 50 years this came up for debate was when 18-20 year olds were being sent off to die in a conflict that they couldn't vote against.