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> When you are made to feel unwanted, excluded, and otherwise not welcome it is natural to go elsewhere in search of inclusiveness. Sure, but the GP wasn't tal

> When you are made to feel unwanted, excluded, and otherwise not welcome it is natural to go elsewhere in search of inclusiveness. Sure, but the GP wasn't talking about a particular group rejecting them, but rather "stop sympathizing with the entire modern feminist movement". That's an extreme reaction to disliking a subset of the movement's followers. > This is a far more common reaction than that of adopting sympathy for those excluding you. No aspect of this should be surprising to a feminist. Nobody's asking for personal sympathy or contribution, but rejecting Feminism due to a few bad Feminists is stupid. Especially if you claim to have been aligned with the Equality argument beforehand. How does that even work? (attempt to reverse engineer a thought process leading to this) 1) thinking "Hey, men are dicks towards women. That ain't right. We need to equalize things as much as possible!" 2) meets bad feminists, receives abuse 3) thinking "Fuck it - Equality, yes, but not for you; I don't like you. NVM on the whole Feminism issue." Absurd. You didn't really believe in equality in the first place. Demanding and supporting equality should have nothing to do with your personal likes and dislikes.

Kalium 12y ago
When a person's entire exposure to a group consists wholly of a few bad members, they are likely to figure that sample representative. They are not likely to keep re-sampling until they find a desirable sample. It's irrational to expect otherwise. Why do you expect otherwise? Why do you feel compelled to couple it with insults?
- yourad_io 12y ago
  > When a person's entire exposure to a group consists wholly of a few bad members, they are likely to figure that sample representative. But Feminism isn't a group; it is an idea. If some of the followers misbehave, you should still be able to believe and support in the idea. To me, supporting ideas only when you "like" the (majority of?) people supporting them is akin to supporting free speech but only for the positions that you believe in. (edit) > Why do you feel compelled to couple it with insults? I'm not sure where you're reading that. The "You" at the end was directed at the fictional person that I'm attempting to emulate with the 1/2/3 reasoning, not you.
  - Kalium 12y ago
    Feminism is an idea. Feminists, or the people who adhere to that idea, are a group. If every single adherent of an idea you encounter is an abhorrent person, most people will stop and consider if they want to associate with those people. Typically the answer is "No". Most people will also wonder if something about the idea turns people into abhorrent people or if something about the idea is only attractive to abhorrent people. In either case, it is not something to which our notional person is likely to be attracted. In short - the people who adhere to an idea are seen as commentary on the idea.
    - yourad_io 12y ago
      > Feminism is an idea. Feminists, or the people who adhere to that idea, are a group. I would have thought that everyone who believes in gender equality is implicitly a Feminist.. > If every single adherent of an idea you encounter is an abhorrent person Are you exaggerating for the sake of argument (perfectly valid), or is it that bad for some people?
      - Kalium 12y ago
        > Are you exaggerating for the sake of argument (perfectly valid), or is it that bad for some people? Both.
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Kalium 12y ago

When a person's entire exposure to a group consists wholly of a few bad members, they are likely to figure that sample representative. They are not likely to keep re-sampling until they find a desirable sample. It's irrational to expect otherwise. Why do you expect otherwise? Why do you feel compelled to couple it with insults?

yourad_io 12y ago
> When a person's entire exposure to a group consists wholly of a few bad members, they are likely to figure that sample representative. But Feminism isn't a group; it is an idea. If some of the followers misbehave, you should still be able to believe and support in the idea. To me, supporting ideas only when you "like" the (majority of?) people supporting them is akin to supporting free speech but only for the positions that you believe in. (edit) > Why do you feel compelled to couple it with insults? I'm not sure where you're reading that. The "You" at the end was directed at the fictional person that I'm attempting to emulate with the 1/2/3 reasoning, not you.
- Kalium 12y ago
  Feminism is an idea. Feminists, or the people who adhere to that idea, are a group. If every single adherent of an idea you encounter is an abhorrent person, most people will stop and consider if they want to associate with those people. Typically the answer is "No". Most people will also wonder if something about the idea turns people into abhorrent people or if something about the idea is only attractive to abhorrent people. In either case, it is not something to which our notional person is likely to be attracted. In short - the people who adhere to an idea are seen as commentary on the idea.
  - yourad_io 12y ago
    > Feminism is an idea. Feminists, or the people who adhere to that idea, are a group. I would have thought that everyone who believes in gender equality is implicitly a Feminist.. > If every single adherent of an idea you encounter is an abhorrent person Are you exaggerating for the sake of argument (perfectly valid), or is it that bad for some people?
    - Kalium 12y ago
      > Are you exaggerating for the sake of argument (perfectly valid), or is it that bad for some people? Both.
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