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How did everyone know? Or even, guess? I assume there are a few factors which generally correlate with being gay, such as never being seen dating a girl or tryi

by aragot 12y ago

How did everyone know? Or even, guess? I assume there are a few factors which generally correlate with being gay, such as never being seen dating a girl or trying to stick with gay fashions?

danielweber 12y ago
I knew because NPR told me. I knew he was gay before I knew it was supposed to be a secret, so if I were on that panel I would have said pretty much the same thing.
emodendroket 12y ago
Well it was all over the media; I'm assuming through reports of people close to him?
majani 12y ago
Gawker makes sure to mention it every time they cover him. I trusted Gawker on that one since Nick Denton is gay as well
- mkr-hn 12y ago
  Then you'd think he would be better about not treating someone as fully out when it's not clear he's out to more than friends and family.
arrrg 12y ago
Hey, how awesome of you to drag stereotypes into this … If you had read the article it should become quite clear to you why quite a few people knew and some people even wrote about it. Since in general journalists will avoid to publish the sexual orientation of someone unless that person made public statements about it, most journalists just didn’t write about it. (I think that’s exactly the right guideline to follow. It is awesome when people come out to help others who are struggling, but this is still a personal decision and I don’t think journalists should make that decision for people. There should never be an obligation to come out.)
- aragot 12y ago
  > Hey, how awesome of you to drag stereotypes into this ... Is it criticism? Because if it is, it's misplaced. I did read the article. I am myself gay. According to the other answers, it seems it was known "in the scene". Do you mean everyone who's gay should either be in the scene or stop asking questions? > it should become quite clear to you why quite a few people knew It didn't become clear to me. Does that mean I don't get social clues? Does that mean I'm not fluent in English? Does that mean I miss a brain cell? People are different, we don't all understand things, so even if it seems unbelievable to you, please still answer the question.
mturmon 12y ago
It's weird. There once was a time where, if you were gay, or were close to people who were, you'd pick up hints about others who were gay. These hints would come from others who were gay, or gay-friendly. And they would be passed along like that. As you moved closer to circles of power, you'd know more and more powerful people who were gay. But there was a code: you didn't bring it up publicly, or with outsiders. (Unless you wanted to be cruel.) With this knowledge came power. You could read people and situations, understand hints and special relationships. It's a kind of x-ray vision. But, if you were not gay, and were not close to people who were, you would be completely unaware. You might assume you didn't know anyone who was gay! Such people were surprised when Rock Hudson (who everyone knew) was outed as gay just before he died of AIDS in 1985. They were surprised when other public figures were outed the same way, even (seriously!) "obvious" cases like Liberace. We are now somewhere between that world (which was complex and had fascinating intrigues) and a different world (which is more open and fairer). Source: before I met my wife, I didn't know anyone who was gay. But in fact, I was just ignorant that I already did.
jshevek 12y ago
I knew because of all of the gay people who participated in a particular active social scene. It was common knowledge in that gay community, and had been since he took over at apple. I never really questioned it, because... because it was common knowledge. No one ever mentioned that he wasn't out, so I wrongly assumed he was fully out until I heard about that newscaster who messed up. I figured (wrongly) that the reason it was never mentioned publicly was because no one thought it was comment-worthy. I naively thought "oh good, look how far we've come".

by aragot 12y ago

How did everyone know? Or even, guess? I assume there are a few factors which generally correlate with being gay, such as never being seen dating a girl or trying to stick with gay fashions?

danielweber 12y ago

I knew because NPR told me. I knew he was gay before I knew it was supposed to be a secret, so if I were on that panel I would have said pretty much the same thing.

emodendroket 12y ago

Well it was all over the media; I'm assuming through reports of people close to him?

majani 12y ago

Gawker makes sure to mention it every time they cover him. I trusted Gawker on that one since Nick Denton is gay as well

mkr-hn 12y ago
Then you'd think he would be better about not treating someone as fully out when it's not clear he's out to more than friends and family.

arrrg 12y ago

Hey, how awesome of you to drag stereotypes into this … If you had read the article it should become quite clear to you why quite a few people knew and some people even wrote about it. Since in general journalists will avoid to publish the sexual orientation of someone unless that person made public statements about it, most journalists just didn’t write about it. (I think that’s exactly the right guideline to follow. It is awesome when people come out to help others who are struggling, but this is still a personal decision and I don’t think journalists should make that decision for people. There should never be an obligation to come out.)

aragot 12y ago
> Hey, how awesome of you to drag stereotypes into this ... Is it criticism? Because if it is, it's misplaced. I did read the article. I am myself gay. According to the other answers, it seems it was known "in the scene". Do you mean everyone who's gay should either be in the scene or stop asking questions? > it should become quite clear to you why quite a few people knew It didn't become clear to me. Does that mean I don't get social clues? Does that mean I'm not fluent in English? Does that mean I miss a brain cell? People are different, we don't all understand things, so even if it seems unbelievable to you, please still answer the question.

mturmon 12y ago

It's weird. There once was a time where, if you were gay, or were close to people who were, you'd pick up hints about others who were gay. These hints would come from others who were gay, or gay-friendly. And they would be passed along like that. As you moved closer to circles of power, you'd know more and more powerful people who were gay. But there was a code: you didn't bring it up publicly, or with outsiders. (Unless you wanted to be cruel.) With this knowledge came power. You could read people and situations, understand hints and special relationships. It's a kind of x-ray vision. But, if you were not gay, and were not close to people who were, you would be completely unaware. You might assume you didn't know anyone who was gay! Such people were surprised when Rock Hudson (who everyone knew) was outed as gay just before he died of AIDS in 1985. They were surprised when other public figures were outed the same way, even (seriously!) "obvious" cases like Liberace. We are now somewhere between that world (which was complex and had fascinating intrigues) and a different world (which is more open and fairer). Source: before I met my wife, I didn't know anyone who was gay. But in fact, I was just ignorant that I already did.

jshevek 12y ago

I knew because of all of the gay people who participated in a particular active social scene. It was common knowledge in that gay community, and had been since he took over at apple. I never really questioned it, because... because it was common knowledge. No one ever mentioned that he wasn't out, so I wrongly assumed he was fully out until I heard about that newscaster who messed up. I figured (wrongly) that the reason it was never mentioned publicly was because no one thought it was comment-worthy. I naively thought "oh good, look how far we've come".