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While this is already known, this does show us the world is not black and white. Tricky the whole thing. Mozilla as a company fights for privacy and creates a

While this is already known, this does show us the world is not black and white. Tricky the whole thing. Mozilla as a company fights for privacy and creates a lot of free software for the general good. But people couldn't stand it's CEO being anti-gay. Now we have the most dangerous (imo) company of all time whose CEO is gay. Ah, good times.

lmedinas 12y ago
Actually the problem is even worse because Brendan never expressed that he is anti-gay, he just sent a donation to activists "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." [1] And to me this does not represent that he is anti-gay. 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
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- mattzito 12y ago
  That seems like a difference without a distinction - if he believes that only marriage between a man and a woman should be valid or recognized in California, then by extension he believes that a marriage between two men, or two women, should not be valid in california. Which is advocating for not providing that right to same-sex indviduals. Which is anti-gay. If the ballot measure said, "Only votes cast by a white person are valid or recognized in California", and someone donated money to support that measure - it would be reasonable to expect that they don't believe that non-white individuals should have the right to vote.
  - lmedinas 12y ago
    Dude, he expressed his opinion about the gay marriage like Tim Cook did about his beliefs in God and society. What's the difference ? It's just opinions! And people have to respect both! Also anti means that you are against something, and Brendan never expressed that he was against gays or even hated gays. He was just against gay marriage. Suddenly being "gay" is cool and being "hetero" is not cool ?
    - ionforce 12y ago
      You have to respect people's /right/ to an opinion, but you don't have to respect the opinions themselves.
    - mattzito 12y ago
      Tim Cook expressing his beliefs does not deprive me of access to my rights as an individual. People are certainly free to not believe in gay marriage, but when they start donating money to groups dedicated to preventing gay people from getting married, that crosses a line. Put another way - Tim Cook believes in God, which is fine, that's his prerogative. However, if he started donating money to anti-atheist groups, now he's actively working to disrespect the opinions of those who are atheists. Note that this passage: > Brendan never expressed that he was against gays or even hated gays. He was just against gay marriage. Is basically identical to what many many people said about miscegenation/mixed-race marriage: > (Brendan/whoever) never expressed that he/they were against blacks or even hated blacks. He was just against mixed-race marriages. But in retrospect, it's really hard to look at that statement and not see it as an expression of bigotry. If you're "okay with gays" and "not okay with gay marriage", it really means that you're not okay with gays. > Suddenly being "gay" is cool and being "hetero" is not cool ? Seems weird to say that being gay is cool when we're arguing about people donating money to stop gay people from having the same rights as hetero people.
      - exodust 12y ago
        > If you're "okay with gays" and "not okay with gay marriage", it really means that you're not okay with gays. That's not true. You're stretching a line between two distant things in hopes of having a nice neat world of bigots on one side, and everyone else on the other. "You're either with us, or you're with the bigots". That's an unreasonable ultimatum that I don't subscribe to. I might be "okay with gays" but I might be "not okay with the annual mardi gras." It's a festival that closes down the streets and has stupid giant penises and vaginas on floats to represent the "gay community"? If I were gay I would distance myself from that crap. In your world, I'm a bigot because I HATE that overly-camp, sledge-hammer decorative approach with men in g-strings running around in heels and pink fluffy decorations everywhere and don't forget the awful gay dance music. That's what it is to be gay? I don't think so. The mardi gras (at least the one where I live) needs to die. But I can't say that because I'll be "anti-gay". I'm not anti-gay, I just hate the annual celebration of the "gay community" by erecting giant penises on floats and broadcasting it all on live TV. Do you see the problem? Just because you see gay marriage as something only a bigot would oppose, doesn't mean you have the right to drag everyone else into that binary mindset.
stephenr 12y ago
The most dangerous company of all time?
- logfromblammo 12y ago
  People of the bazaar fear those of the cathedral, because they can count the people entering the walled gardens, and many of them never emerge to trade in the agora ever again. Apple has a big garden.
  - brianobush 12y ago
    The walls are painted to make it the enclosed space feel open. Soon we will want to be enclosed once our conditioning takes hold :)
- general_failure 12y ago
  Yes, dangerous because of it's reach. I am not very excited to live in a walled garden. A massive one as that.
  - oldmanjay 12y ago
    Do you fear that the world gov't will pass the "everyone must use apple act" soon?
  - Aoyagi 12y ago
    And Apple is more dangerous than Google in this regard?

lmedinas 12y ago

Actually the problem is even worse because Brendan never expressed that he is anti-gay, he just sent a donation to activists "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." [1] And to me this does not represent that he is anti-gay. 1- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich

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mattzito 12y ago
That seems like a difference without a distinction - if he believes that only marriage between a man and a woman should be valid or recognized in California, then by extension he believes that a marriage between two men, or two women, should not be valid in california. Which is advocating for not providing that right to same-sex indviduals. Which is anti-gay. If the ballot measure said, "Only votes cast by a white person are valid or recognized in California", and someone donated money to support that measure - it would be reasonable to expect that they don't believe that non-white individuals should have the right to vote.
- lmedinas 12y ago
  Dude, he expressed his opinion about the gay marriage like Tim Cook did about his beliefs in God and society. What's the difference ? It's just opinions! And people have to respect both! Also anti means that you are against something, and Brendan never expressed that he was against gays or even hated gays. He was just against gay marriage. Suddenly being "gay" is cool and being "hetero" is not cool ?
  - ionforce 12y ago
    You have to respect people's /right/ to an opinion, but you don't have to respect the opinions themselves.
  - mattzito 12y ago
    Tim Cook expressing his beliefs does not deprive me of access to my rights as an individual. People are certainly free to not believe in gay marriage, but when they start donating money to groups dedicated to preventing gay people from getting married, that crosses a line. Put another way - Tim Cook believes in God, which is fine, that's his prerogative. However, if he started donating money to anti-atheist groups, now he's actively working to disrespect the opinions of those who are atheists. Note that this passage: > Brendan never expressed that he was against gays or even hated gays. He was just against gay marriage. Is basically identical to what many many people said about miscegenation/mixed-race marriage: > (Brendan/whoever) never expressed that he/they were against blacks or even hated blacks. He was just against mixed-race marriages. But in retrospect, it's really hard to look at that statement and not see it as an expression of bigotry. If you're "okay with gays" and "not okay with gay marriage", it really means that you're not okay with gays. > Suddenly being "gay" is cool and being "hetero" is not cool ? Seems weird to say that being gay is cool when we're arguing about people donating money to stop gay people from having the same rights as hetero people.
    - exodust 12y ago
      > If you're "okay with gays" and "not okay with gay marriage", it really means that you're not okay with gays. That's not true. You're stretching a line between two distant things in hopes of having a nice neat world of bigots on one side, and everyone else on the other. "You're either with us, or you're with the bigots". That's an unreasonable ultimatum that I don't subscribe to. I might be "okay with gays" but I might be "not okay with the annual mardi gras." It's a festival that closes down the streets and has stupid giant penises and vaginas on floats to represent the "gay community"? If I were gay I would distance myself from that crap. In your world, I'm a bigot because I HATE that overly-camp, sledge-hammer decorative approach with men in g-strings running around in heels and pink fluffy decorations everywhere and don't forget the awful gay dance music. That's what it is to be gay? I don't think so. The mardi gras (at least the one where I live) needs to die. But I can't say that because I'll be "anti-gay". I'm not anti-gay, I just hate the annual celebration of the "gay community" by erecting giant penises on floats and broadcasting it all on live TV. Do you see the problem? Just because you see gay marriage as something only a bigot would oppose, doesn't mean you have the right to drag everyone else into that binary mindset.

stephenr 12y ago

The most dangerous company of all time?

logfromblammo 12y ago
People of the bazaar fear those of the cathedral, because they can count the people entering the walled gardens, and many of them never emerge to trade in the agora ever again. Apple has a big garden.
- brianobush 12y ago
  The walls are painted to make it the enclosed space feel open. Soon we will want to be enclosed once our conditioning takes hold :)
general_failure 12y ago
Yes, dangerous because of it's reach. I am not very excited to live in a walled garden. A massive one as that.
- oldmanjay 12y ago
  Do you fear that the world gov't will pass the "everyone must use apple act" soon?
- Aoyagi 12y ago
  And Apple is more dangerous than Google in this regard?