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Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

by dodyg 12y ago

piratebroadcast 12y ago
And is Southern as well - From Alabama. Big church influence down there.
- notduncansmith 12y ago
  Indeed there is. Did not know Tim was from Alabama though, represent!
  - danielki 12y ago
    He went to Auburn
    - notduncansmith 12y ago
      Well, that would explain why Apple's been headed down the tubes since he took over.
boiledfig 12y ago
I don't understand what the Church are able to do given that their teachings are based on the Bible and not society
blktiger 12y ago
I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. Homosexuality is very clearly spelled out as wrong. So are plenty of other things of course and the Bible doesn't specify homosexual behavior as any more or less wrong than any other sinful act. Christians shouldn't be treating homosexuals any different than anyone else, but that includes letting people know that God views that behavior as sin.
- coke12 12y ago
  > I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. You can be an adulterer and a Christian. You can commit any sin imaginable and still consider yourself a Christian. Homosexuality is no different.
  - blktiger 12y ago
    There is a difference though between commiting a sin then admitting you were wrong and actively promoting a lifestyle that espouses sin. I'd have the same problem with an adulterer who didn't think that their adultery was wrong. In one case, someone messed up - in the other someone is actually ignoring the bible entirely.
    - gknoy 12y ago
      I wouldn't say they were ignoring it entirely. Rather, perhaps they were choosing to ignore the parts that they consider outdated and ludicrous (such as the calls to marry in-laws, or stone people for things), and instead consider their "Christian"-ness to be derived from a more forgiving perspective of a certain rabbi who advised people to love their neighbor.
    - jp_sc 12y ago
      You can believe the christianity idea of "God" but not in the bible as its "word" at the same time. In fact, you can believe in anything at all and still talk about "God". An it would be still valid.
    - lotsofmangos 12y ago
      The Quakers are clearly a Christian denomination, but here in the UK at least, they have been holding same-sex marriages since before it was legal and are one of the groups who forced the law change. Partly as it caused the legal theories against it that were based on respecting religious belief to become hopelessly muddled. It became very hard to argue that the law was upholding Christian rights on the definition of marriage while not recognising marriages being held by Quakers.
michaelsbradley 12y ago
And there are members of the Church who experience same-sex attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of the homosexual label to a more complete identity in Christ." See, for example, Tina's, Jonah's and Blake's testimonies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4gpJUpvpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4gpJUpvpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAqzGsjl30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAqzGsjl30 Those videos are featured by the Courage apostolate: http://couragerc.org/courage/#testimonies http://couragerc.org/courage/#testimonies This comment is not intended to be inflammatory; my intention is simply to share an alternate perspective.
- lotsofmangos 12y ago
  And there are members of the Church who experience heterosexual attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of all labels to a more complete identity in Christ." And fair play to them if it is what they believe. It doesn't work for everyone though, as is eminently obvious if you look to scandals over the years across all religious groups who swear selected members to chastity.

Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

by dodyg 12y ago

Tim Cook is a Christian. This is a message to the Church.

piratebroadcast 12y ago

And is Southern as well - From Alabama. Big church influence down there.

notduncansmith 12y ago
Indeed there is. Did not know Tim was from Alabama though, represent!
- danielki 12y ago
  He went to Auburn
  - notduncansmith 12y ago
    Well, that would explain why Apple's been headed down the tubes since he took over.

boiledfig 12y ago

I don't understand what the Church are able to do given that their teachings are based on the Bible and not society

blktiger 12y ago

I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. Homosexuality is very clearly spelled out as wrong. So are plenty of other things of course and the Bible doesn't specify homosexual behavior as any more or less wrong than any other sinful act. Christians shouldn't be treating homosexuals any different than anyone else, but that includes letting people know that God views that behavior as sin.

coke12 12y ago
> I have a hard time thinking of anyone as Christian if they ignore the basic tenants of what the Bible says. You can be an adulterer and a Christian. You can commit any sin imaginable and still consider yourself a Christian. Homosexuality is no different.
- blktiger 12y ago
  There is a difference though between commiting a sin then admitting you were wrong and actively promoting a lifestyle that espouses sin. I'd have the same problem with an adulterer who didn't think that their adultery was wrong. In one case, someone messed up - in the other someone is actually ignoring the bible entirely.
  - gknoy 12y ago
    I wouldn't say they were ignoring it entirely. Rather, perhaps they were choosing to ignore the parts that they consider outdated and ludicrous (such as the calls to marry in-laws, or stone people for things), and instead consider their "Christian"-ness to be derived from a more forgiving perspective of a certain rabbi who advised people to love their neighbor.
  - jp_sc 12y ago
    You can believe the christianity idea of "God" but not in the bible as its "word" at the same time. In fact, you can believe in anything at all and still talk about "God". An it would be still valid.
  - lotsofmangos 12y ago
    The Quakers are clearly a Christian denomination, but here in the UK at least, they have been holding same-sex marriages since before it was legal and are one of the groups who forced the law change. Partly as it caused the legal theories against it that were based on respecting religious belief to become hopelessly muddled. It became very hard to argue that the law was upholding Christian rights on the definition of marriage while not recognising marriages being held by Quakers.

michaelsbradley 12y ago

And there are members of the Church who experience same-sex attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of the homosexual label to a more complete identity in Christ." See, for example, Tina's, Jonah's and Blake's testimonies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4gpJUpvpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA4gpJUpvpc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAqzGsjl30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbAqzGsjl30 Those videos are featured by the Courage apostolate: http://couragerc.org/courage/#testimonies http://couragerc.org/courage/#testimonies This comment is not intended to be inflammatory; my intention is simply to share an alternate perspective.

lotsofmangos 12y ago
And there are members of the Church who experience heterosexual attraction but strive for a life of chastity, who have a powerful message for those who long to "move beyond the confines of all labels to a more complete identity in Christ." And fair play to them if it is what they believe. It doesn't work for everyone though, as is eminently obvious if you look to scandals over the years across all religious groups who swear selected members to chastity.