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I tried to make this point to two neurosciences a few weeks ago and they basically said "but consciousness IS well defined" and I really had to scratch my head
by hyperion2010 12y ago
I tried to make this point to two neurosciences a few weeks ago and they basically said "but consciousness IS well defined" and I really had to scratch my head because they appealed to "I know it when you see it" logic which is completely useless when trying to figure out the physical phenomena that produces conscious experience. Actually, on reflection it seems that it makes the point that we do not even have a good working definition for consciousness all the more obvious.
On the deeper observation here: there are plenty of things that can exist, but whether they actually have being in this universe is a trickier question.
- MarkPNeyer 12y agohofstadter has a pretty decent defintion worked out in 'godel, escher, bach" and "i am a strange loop": consciousness arises when systems in the brain model the external world, and then begin modeling their modelling of the external world, and then begin modelling their modelling of their modelling...
- randallsquared 12y agoPerhaps Hofstadter has a definition of consciousness, but what you gave is a (right or wrong) description of how consciousness is implemented, which is not what most people would call a definition.
- ajuc 12y agoAnd can do this without crashing/hanging forever.