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That's true. This product is weird, and apple doesn't do weird.

by Joeri 12y ago

Devid2014 12y ago
Yes Apple just do the same thing over and over again. For me Apple now is just zero innovation. Any way Sprout looks very interesting and promising.
- mcphage 12y ago
  > Any way Sprout looks very interesting and promising. Interesting, I agree completely. Promising? I dunno about that. Given the price, I'd be afraid to buy it, given the high likelihood that HP forgets it exists in 6 months. Unique hardware like this requires serious development effort to utilize it properly, and if this doesn't get traction—and at almost $2,000, I think it's unlikely to get any traction—then nobody's going to bother writing that software. It's a chicken-and-egg problem; without sales, there won't be much custom software, and without that custom software, there's no reason for most to buy it.
- lurcio 12y ago
  I understand your sentiment, but can't quite agree. Apple are innovating. I like the way all my iDevices are becoming 'as one'. Not quite to Mark Weiners vision yet - but its compelling and builds on Apples core value proposition: non-fragmentation. Sprout is a 'gilding the lily' kind of innovation. Its impressive (in my humble opinion) and could open up a new type of product if there is sufficient demand for HP to continue. But it feels more like a marketing led shot in the dark, than HP building on their strengths in the touchscreen PC space. -- Anecdotal cul-de-sac: My assumptions about innovation were overturned on a college summer project (EE). Having been told to 'innovate', I produced a thing + bells + whistles. My comparatively low marks & tutors comments showed me (rightly) that innovation should have focused more on 'thing'. The rest was not so important. I now think of it as an Overton window in the product lifecycle (Im sure theres a term for this, but I don't know it). 'Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should.'
schtinky 12y ago
Or is it that Apple markets products so well that by the time whateveritis hits the shelves, it doesn't seem "weird" anymore?
mcphage 12y ago
I feel like Apple does a good job of describing WHY you'd buy a product of theirs. This doesn't do that.

That's true. This product is weird, and apple doesn't do weird.

by Joeri 12y ago

That's true. This product is weird, and apple doesn't do weird.

Devid2014 12y ago

Yes Apple just do the same thing over and over again. For me Apple now is just zero innovation. Any way Sprout looks very interesting and promising.

mcphage 12y ago
> Any way Sprout looks very interesting and promising. Interesting, I agree completely. Promising? I dunno about that. Given the price, I'd be afraid to buy it, given the high likelihood that HP forgets it exists in 6 months. Unique hardware like this requires serious development effort to utilize it properly, and if this doesn't get traction—and at almost $2,000, I think it's unlikely to get any traction—then nobody's going to bother writing that software. It's a chicken-and-egg problem; without sales, there won't be much custom software, and without that custom software, there's no reason for most to buy it.
lurcio 12y ago
I understand your sentiment, but can't quite agree. Apple are innovating. I like the way all my iDevices are becoming 'as one'. Not quite to Mark Weiners vision yet - but its compelling and builds on Apples core value proposition: non-fragmentation. Sprout is a 'gilding the lily' kind of innovation. Its impressive (in my humble opinion) and could open up a new type of product if there is sufficient demand for HP to continue. But it feels more like a marketing led shot in the dark, than HP building on their strengths in the touchscreen PC space. -- Anecdotal cul-de-sac: My assumptions about innovation were overturned on a college summer project (EE). Having been told to 'innovate', I produced a thing + bells + whistles. My comparatively low marks & tutors comments showed me (rightly) that innovation should have focused more on 'thing'. The rest was not so important. I now think of it as an Overton window in the product lifecycle (Im sure theres a term for this, but I don't know it). 'Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should.'

schtinky 12y ago

Or is it that Apple markets products so well that by the time whateveritis hits the shelves, it doesn't seem "weird" anymore?

mcphage 12y ago

I feel like Apple does a good job of describing WHY you'd buy a product of theirs. This doesn't do that.