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Show HN: Cider — Hassle-free bootstrapping using Homebrew

30 points by mkskm 12y ago

mateuszf 12y ago
Just wanted to say that this name is already used by (quite popular) emacs Clojure IDE plugin. https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider
- zyxley 12y ago
  It's also the name of a Wine dervative used for many Mac ports of Windows games. https://www.transgaming.com/cider https://www.transgaming.com/cider
  - ianlevesque 12y ago
    And was the name of an iOS / Android porting tool (http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/ http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/) until they realized how overloaded the name Cider is.
    - ende 12y ago
      New name suggestion: Mulled
pbreit 12y ago
Is this the type of thing that could have been built in to a fork of Homebrew and perhaps if people liked it been incorporated into the main distro? I understand why things proliferate like this but it can be frustrating.
- mkskm 12y ago
  I contemplated doing that (something like the brew-cask syntax), but it ended up not really being worth the complexity, especially when you consider that not all of the commands necessarily correlate to those in Homebrew (e.g. setting defaults). Might consider doing something like that in the future though, if it ends up that people aside from me want this. It's also worth noting that even projects such as Homebrew Cask are also merely extensions to Homebrew (AFAIK, there aren't any plans of it getting merged in anytime soon).
damurdock 12y ago
Mmm, homebrewed cider... But seriously, I really like this idea. You should definitely PR this into Homebrew though.
pron 12y ago
Is it possible to create the configuration file from the current machine state, or do you have to create the configuration by hand?
- mkskm 12y ago
  Right now it's updated whenever you install something with cider. You can update it with whatever you currently have installed using `cider [cask] missing`. Defaults are the same way - cider supports the same syntax as the `defaults` command, so you should be able to use it as a drop-in replacement in most cases. Symlinks and scripts are manual, but I plan on changing that: https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues/3 https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues/3
  - pron 12y ago
    `cider missing` fails when it can't find a formula and writes nothing to the file...
    - mkskm 12y ago
      Would you mind submitting an issue here with more info? https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues Edit: pretty sure I fixed the bug - could you verify by trying the version on master? pip install https://github.com/msanders/cider/archive/master.zip
jokogr 12y ago
Do you have to install on your own homebrew and homebrew cask? I'm asking, because I am in the process of creating an Ansible playbook (http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_module.html and http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_cask_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_cask_module.html) and I want to write a small bootstrap script to install homebrew and homebrew cask first.
- mkskm 12y ago
  It will install cask for you, but homebrew needs to be installed via the script on http://brew.sh/#install http://brew.sh/#install (you also need to have Xcode or Apple's cli tools installed).
  - jinushaun 12y ago
    And you need pip :(
j_s 12y ago
https://github.com/mwrock/boxstarter https://github.com/mwrock/boxstarter can help setup Windows machines for developers.
dantiberian 12y ago
I'd like to recommend Mackup for backing up machine config (and keeping them in sync) https://github.com/lra/mackup https://github.com/lra/mackup.
- mkskm 12y ago
  I actually tried mackup a few weeks ago and had to wipe my machine because it messed up my settings so much (who would've thought backup could be such a dangerous command?) Cider's approach is much safer since all it does is reinstall the components & settings you've specifically allotted it to. Rather than move all your various configs and caches around in an attempt to keep them in sync (which is, IMO, subject to headaches and not worth the hassle), the whole point of Cider is to keep as little state on your machine as possible so you can stop thinking about this stuff.
mga226 12y ago
Anyone else just skim the title and then get disappointed when it didn't actually relate to homemade booze?
jimmcslim 12y ago
See also http://osxc.github.io http://osxc.github.io which builds upon Ansible (which is of course also built in Python). But what if I use Homebrew to install a package (pyenv) to manage my Pythons to install cider to bootstrap Homebre... StackOverflowException thrown. Comment aborted.
priteau 12y ago
There was once a similar project also called Cider, created by Corey Donohoe (atmos) from GitHub. It was renamed to cinderella because of trademark infringement, so you might want to check that out: https://github.com/atmos/cider https://github.com/atmos/cider
- mkskm 12y ago
  This is good to know. Any suggestions for a better name?

30 points by mkskm 12y ago

Just wanted to say that this name is already used by (quite popular) emacs Clojure IDE plugin. https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider

zyxley 12y ago
It's also the name of a Wine dervative used for many Mac ports of Windows games. https://www.transgaming.com/cider https://www.transgaming.com/cider
- ianlevesque 12y ago
  And was the name of an iOS / Android porting tool (http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/ http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/) until they realized how overloaded the name Cider is.
  - ende 12y ago
    New name suggestion: Mulled

pbreit 12y ago

Is this the type of thing that could have been built in to a fork of Homebrew and perhaps if people liked it been incorporated into the main distro? I understand why things proliferate like this but it can be frustrating.

mkskm 12y ago
I contemplated doing that (something like the brew-cask syntax), but it ended up not really being worth the complexity, especially when you consider that not all of the commands necessarily correlate to those in Homebrew (e.g. setting defaults). Might consider doing something like that in the future though, if it ends up that people aside from me want this. It's also worth noting that even projects such as Homebrew Cask are also merely extensions to Homebrew (AFAIK, there aren't any plans of it getting merged in anytime soon).

damurdock 12y ago

Mmm, homebrewed cider... But seriously, I really like this idea. You should definitely PR this into Homebrew though.

pron 12y ago

Is it possible to create the configuration file from the current machine state, or do you have to create the configuration by hand?

mkskm 12y ago
Right now it's updated whenever you install something with cider. You can update it with whatever you currently have installed using `cider [cask] missing`. Defaults are the same way - cider supports the same syntax as the `defaults` command, so you should be able to use it as a drop-in replacement in most cases. Symlinks and scripts are manual, but I plan on changing that: https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues/3 https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues/3
- pron 12y ago
  `cider missing` fails when it can't find a formula and writes nothing to the file...
  - mkskm 12y ago
    Would you mind submitting an issue here with more info? https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues Edit: pretty sure I fixed the bug - could you verify by trying the version on master? pip install https://github.com/msanders/cider/archive/master.zip

jokogr 12y ago

Do you have to install on your own homebrew and homebrew cask? I'm asking, because I am in the process of creating an Ansible playbook (http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_module.html and http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_cask_module.html http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_cask_module.html) and I want to write a small bootstrap script to install homebrew and homebrew cask first.

mkskm 12y ago
It will install cask for you, but homebrew needs to be installed via the script on http://brew.sh/#install http://brew.sh/#install (you also need to have Xcode or Apple's cli tools installed).
- jinushaun 12y ago
  And you need pip :(

j_s 12y ago

https://github.com/mwrock/boxstarter https://github.com/mwrock/boxstarter can help setup Windows machines for developers.

dantiberian 12y ago

I'd like to recommend Mackup for backing up machine config (and keeping them in sync) https://github.com/lra/mackup https://github.com/lra/mackup.

mkskm 12y ago
I actually tried mackup a few weeks ago and had to wipe my machine because it messed up my settings so much (who would've thought backup could be such a dangerous command?) Cider's approach is much safer since all it does is reinstall the components & settings you've specifically allotted it to. Rather than move all your various configs and caches around in an attempt to keep them in sync (which is, IMO, subject to headaches and not worth the hassle), the whole point of Cider is to keep as little state on your machine as possible so you can stop thinking about this stuff.

mga226 12y ago

Anyone else just skim the title and then get disappointed when it didn't actually relate to homemade booze?

jimmcslim 12y ago

See also http://osxc.github.io http://osxc.github.io which builds upon Ansible (which is of course also built in Python). But what if I use Homebrew to install a package (pyenv) to manage my Pythons to install cider to bootstrap Homebre... StackOverflowException thrown. Comment aborted.

priteau 12y ago

There was once a similar project also called Cider, created by Corey Donohoe (atmos) from GitHub. It was renamed to cinderella because of trademark infringement, so you might want to check that out: https://github.com/atmos/cider https://github.com/atmos/cider

mkskm 12y ago
This is good to know. Any suggestions for a better name?