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Yes, Microsoft the minnow company nobody heard of.

by craigvn 12y ago

cbd1984 12y ago
IBM's the same way. Doesn't mean it will forever be relevant beyond a small niche.
- oblio 12y ago
  You'd be amazed how big that small niche is. Quite a lot of people like .NET development.
  - 72deluxe 12y ago
    .NET is massive. Just look for job listings. C# gets more money over here in the UK than C++, with there being far far far more jobs using C# and .NET. Also, just look at how many developer jobs there are in Windows-land versus Linux-land: you hardly ever see Linux development jobs apart from embedded development. Windows is huge.
    - santimolte 12y ago
      Most web development/back-end-services/java jobs are technically linux development if C# jobs are windows development right?
      - 72deluxe 12y ago
        Good point! But the job descriptions will never specifically ask for strong Linux skills - they want you to code and upload, and the languages are not tied exclusively to Linux (although I don't know anyone running a real production server with PHP under Windows, so you're right!)
  - cbd1984 12y ago
    I never said their nice was small right now. I said that MSFT is not guaranteed a place at the Big Person table in every market forever. For example, when's the last time you saw someone using a MSFT mobile device?
    - oblio 12y ago
      .NET & Windows are used in the enterprise space, a lot. If mainframes are still around in enterprises, as a decent market (still worth billions of dollars), I imagine that .NET & Windows will still be around and probably still worth tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars, 20-30-40 years from now. There's no foreseeable threat to Microsoft in the enterprise, that market is roughly split in 3 between (mostly) cross platform C++, (mostly) cross platform Java and Windows-only .NET (I don't think any enterprise really uses Mono in production). And both C++ and Java predate .NET, so enterprises seem to love .NET to have moved over to it.
      - cbd1984 12y ago
        Right. The enterprise is one market, but it isn't the only one. Owning it doesn't mean you own anything else. That's my whole point.

Yes, Microsoft the minnow company nobody heard of.

by craigvn 12y ago

Yes, Microsoft the minnow company nobody heard of.

cbd1984 12y ago

IBM's the same way. Doesn't mean it will forever be relevant beyond a small niche.

oblio 12y ago
You'd be amazed how big that small niche is. Quite a lot of people like .NET development.
- 72deluxe 12y ago
  .NET is massive. Just look for job listings. C# gets more money over here in the UK than C++, with there being far far far more jobs using C# and .NET. Also, just look at how many developer jobs there are in Windows-land versus Linux-land: you hardly ever see Linux development jobs apart from embedded development. Windows is huge.
  - santimolte 12y ago
    Most web development/back-end-services/java jobs are technically linux development if C# jobs are windows development right?
    - 72deluxe 12y ago
      Good point! But the job descriptions will never specifically ask for strong Linux skills - they want you to code and upload, and the languages are not tied exclusively to Linux (although I don't know anyone running a real production server with PHP under Windows, so you're right!)
- cbd1984 12y ago
  I never said their nice was small right now. I said that MSFT is not guaranteed a place at the Big Person table in every market forever. For example, when's the last time you saw someone using a MSFT mobile device?
  - oblio 12y ago
    .NET & Windows are used in the enterprise space, a lot. If mainframes are still around in enterprises, as a decent market (still worth billions of dollars), I imagine that .NET & Windows will still be around and probably still worth tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars, 20-30-40 years from now. There's no foreseeable threat to Microsoft in the enterprise, that market is roughly split in 3 between (mostly) cross platform C++, (mostly) cross platform Java and Windows-only .NET (I don't think any enterprise really uses Mono in production). And both C++ and Java predate .NET, so enterprises seem to love .NET to have moved over to it.
    - cbd1984 12y ago
      Right. The enterprise is one market, but it isn't the only one. Owning it doesn't mean you own anything else. That's my whole point.