6 ms·

If Uber significantly affects demand, then we might see seismic shifts in the demographics of drivers. As for the existing drivers, my point is that the effect

If Uber significantly affects demand, then we might see seismic shifts in the demographics of drivers. As for the existing drivers, my point is that the effects you're touting are temporary. Taxi companies that provide a lesser service will die off and be replaced by others that follow the example of Uber. The overall economics of the thing will not change unless there is a significant change in demand. I don't think this is going to happen due to Uber any more than it did due to ZipCar.

JumpCrisscross 12y ago
> Taxi companies that provide a lesser service will die off and be replaced by others that follow the example of Uber. I don't think Uber in its present form will shift the demand curve dramatically. Driverless cars will. A world with driverless cars could follow two models. Let's call them Apple and IBM. Apple: each household owns a driverless car. Perhaps it can be occasionally rideshared via UberX, Lyft, etc. In this world, you are right: Uber tomorrow will be Uber today. IBM: Uber (or Google or Tesla...) owns (and finances and repairs and replenishes) a fleet of driverless cars. Households pay it use fees. In this world, Uber's strategic autonomy is dramatically improved over today. If I were Uber, this is the long game I'd be playing for. I would be (a) training riders to depend on hiring cars with minimal personal contact, (b) encouraging the development of driverless cars, and (c) building a cash pile for rapidly acquiring a vast fleet of driverless cars the moment they become viable.
- jordanpg 12y ago
  You are far more optimistic than me about the future of driverless cars. Given N driverless cars, some fraction p will eventually run over and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of driverless cars. Also, before driverless cars become widespread, they will need to be first proven and then regulated. Imagine the fantastic force of the driving lobby that will oppose that from happening: taxi drivers, truck drivers, fleet drivers. Why do trains and subways still have a human sitting in them?
  - relate 12y ago
    You chose to make your point with probability, which is actually what will most likely make people accept driverless cars in the end. It's amusing to read the same reasoning after striking away "driverless": "You are far more optimistic than me about the future of cars. Given N cars, some fraction p will eventually run over and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of cars." or with elevators: "You are far more optimistic than me about the future of automatic elevators. Given N elevators, some fraction p will eventually malfunction and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of elevators." If the accident probabilities can be brought to acceptable levels, why wouldn't we adopt them? PS: With trains and subways we have 1 driver per dozens of passengers, where the savings gained from reducing it to 0 may not outweigh the risk increase/loss of safety feeling.
    - jordanpg 12y ago
      Good point. I totally agree that if the risk is low, we should adopt the technologies. I was addressing how I believe these sorts of accidents will portrayed in the news and media, especially if there is an organization with an agenda behind the coverage.
      - relate 12y ago
        Yes, I think (automatic) car makers will have to be extremely careful. If we have dramatic accidents to soon, it may be hard to sway the public opinion with statistics (as is the current case with nuclear power).
  - malandrew 12y ago
    “If you look at newspapers from American cities in the 1910s and ’20s, you’ll find a lot of anger at cars and drivers, really an incredible amount,” says Peter Norton, the author of Fighting Traffic: The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City. “My impression is that you’d find more caricatures of the Grim Reaper driving a car over innocent children than you would images of Uncle Sam.” Same thing happened with the horseless carriage when it first showed up. Didn't stop it. http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/murder-machines/ http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/murder-machines/

JumpCrisscross 12y ago

> Taxi companies that provide a lesser service will die off and be replaced by others that follow the example of Uber. I don't think Uber in its present form will shift the demand curve dramatically. Driverless cars will. A world with driverless cars could follow two models. Let's call them Apple and IBM. Apple: each household owns a driverless car. Perhaps it can be occasionally rideshared via UberX, Lyft, etc. In this world, you are right: Uber tomorrow will be Uber today. IBM: Uber (or Google or Tesla...) owns (and finances and repairs and replenishes) a fleet of driverless cars. Households pay it use fees. In this world, Uber's strategic autonomy is dramatically improved over today. If I were Uber, this is the long game I'd be playing for. I would be (a) training riders to depend on hiring cars with minimal personal contact, (b) encouraging the development of driverless cars, and (c) building a cash pile for rapidly acquiring a vast fleet of driverless cars the moment they become viable.

jordanpg 12y ago
You are far more optimistic than me about the future of driverless cars. Given N driverless cars, some fraction p will eventually run over and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of driverless cars. Also, before driverless cars become widespread, they will need to be first proven and then regulated. Imagine the fantastic force of the driving lobby that will oppose that from happening: taxi drivers, truck drivers, fleet drivers. Why do trains and subways still have a human sitting in them?
- relate 12y ago
  You chose to make your point with probability, which is actually what will most likely make people accept driverless cars in the end. It's amusing to read the same reasoning after striking away "driverless": "You are far more optimistic than me about the future of cars. Given N cars, some fraction p will eventually run over and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of cars." or with elevators: "You are far more optimistic than me about the future of automatic elevators. Given N elevators, some fraction p will eventually malfunction and kill small children. Stand back and watch the hysteria and the end of elevators." If the accident probabilities can be brought to acceptable levels, why wouldn't we adopt them? PS: With trains and subways we have 1 driver per dozens of passengers, where the savings gained from reducing it to 0 may not outweigh the risk increase/loss of safety feeling.
  - jordanpg 12y ago
    Good point. I totally agree that if the risk is low, we should adopt the technologies. I was addressing how I believe these sorts of accidents will portrayed in the news and media, especially if there is an organization with an agenda behind the coverage.
    - relate 12y ago
      Yes, I think (automatic) car makers will have to be extremely careful. If we have dramatic accidents to soon, it may be hard to sway the public opinion with statistics (as is the current case with nuclear power).
- malandrew 12y ago
  “If you look at newspapers from American cities in the 1910s and ’20s, you’ll find a lot of anger at cars and drivers, really an incredible amount,” says Peter Norton, the author of Fighting Traffic: The Dawn of the Motor Age in the American City. “My impression is that you’d find more caricatures of the Grim Reaper driving a car over innocent children than you would images of Uncle Sam.” Same thing happened with the horseless carriage when it first showed up. Didn't stop it. http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/murder-machines/ http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/murder-machines/