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21 Days: Steven Hatfill Warns Against Ebola Complacency

5 points by jdnier 12y ago

jdnier 12y ago
"What [Dr Hatfill] does know, at a depth that can rival any scientist’s knowledge, is Ebola."
jdnier 12y ago
From the article: "Hatfill: When the SARS epidemic happened, Singapore came very close to being wiped out. People don't realize this. And over there, if you chew gum or spit on the street, they cane you. Singapore had this under control overnight, and all their contact tracings were confined to their house, to the point where they would phone you every hour and you'd better answer the phone or the cops came by to arrest you. And they stopped it. You saw in the U.S. the journalist went out for pizza, this nurse went on a plane. Are you out of your mind?"
malandrew 12y ago
Sanjay Gupta, who is a neurosurgeon, did probably the best demonstration I've seen on why the CDC protocol failed. He dressed up in the recommended protective equipment and they put chocolate syrup on his hands. As an experienced neurosurgeon, how many times he's donned and doffed this gear? He took off his gear, and, yep, there were chocolate splashes all over his skin. After reading this I went to go watch the video because I've read several articles on the CDC recommendations and first hand accounts from nurses returning from Africa explaining the procedure for putting on and removing the gowns. What Sanjay Gupta did, does not match up with what I've read. There was no apron and he took everything off at once, including trying to simultaneously remove both pairs of gloves. You're supposed to wash your hands (with bleach) then remove the apron first (what was on his chest) and then carefully remove the outer pair of gloves. These two steps alone should remove most of the fluids and any transferred skin shedding, such that what is left is gear with relatively minimal matter that can get through to the body. Then you do more washing with bleach. Lastly, there were boot coverings or hoods to protect from bio-hazardous material that are likely to get on those surfaces. Most of what I read seem totally legit, but I can't reconcile that with Hatfill praising Sanjay Gupta's demonstration. If I were a nurse or doctor going into a room with a BSL-4 contagion, I would be far far far more diligent than what Dr. Sanjay Gupta demonstrated.

5 points by jdnier 12y ago

"What [Dr Hatfill] does know, at a depth that can rival any scientist’s knowledge, is Ebola."

From the article: "Hatfill: When the SARS epidemic happened, Singapore came very close to being wiped out. People don't realize this. And over there, if you chew gum or spit on the street, they cane you. Singapore had this under control overnight, and all their contact tracings were confined to their house, to the point where they would phone you every hour and you'd better answer the phone or the cops came by to arrest you. And they stopped it. You saw in the U.S. the journalist went out for pizza, this nurse went on a plane. Are you out of your mind?"

malandrew 12y ago

Sanjay Gupta, who is a neurosurgeon, did probably the best demonstration I've seen on why the CDC protocol failed. He dressed up in the recommended protective equipment and they put chocolate syrup on his hands. As an experienced neurosurgeon, how many times he's donned and doffed this gear? He took off his gear, and, yep, there were chocolate splashes all over his skin. After reading this I went to go watch the video because I've read several articles on the CDC recommendations and first hand accounts from nurses returning from Africa explaining the procedure for putting on and removing the gowns. What Sanjay Gupta did, does not match up with what I've read. There was no apron and he took everything off at once, including trying to simultaneously remove both pairs of gloves. You're supposed to wash your hands (with bleach) then remove the apron first (what was on his chest) and then carefully remove the outer pair of gloves. These two steps alone should remove most of the fluids and any transferred skin shedding, such that what is left is gear with relatively minimal matter that can get through to the body. Then you do more washing with bleach. Lastly, there were boot coverings or hoods to protect from bio-hazardous material that are likely to get on those surfaces. Most of what I read seem totally legit, but I can't reconcile that with Hatfill praising Sanjay Gupta's demonstration. If I were a nurse or doctor going into a room with a BSL-4 contagion, I would be far far far more diligent than what Dr. Sanjay Gupta demonstrated.