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How much "philosophy" was necessary for us to achieve the google search?

by blackopal 12y ago

dominotw 12y ago
Are you implying that google search is somehow AI?
- blackopal 12y ago
  Google search can perform human-like behavior. If two things have the same behavior, can one have "consciousness" and the other not?
  - karmacondon 12y ago
    Coincidentally we were just discussing the Chinese Room [0] on IRC. It's a philosophical debate, but the short version is No, a google search isn't conscious. It's AI, or machine learning, but it isn't self aware. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
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  - dominotw 12y ago
    >Google search can perform human-like behavior. So can my toaster. I don't think my toaster has consciousness.
    - blackopal 12y ago
      Then you're not operating scientifically. You have reasons not based on perception for believing something.
      - sgt101 12y ago
        Is logic perception? Famously (I have to take them at their word) Quantum Physics describes behaviours which require the mathematician to abandon perception and manipulate the formula "blindly". Should we disbelieve them? Also I thought science was (formally) the creation of beliefs based on falsifiable hypothesis supported by evidence? When did the news come that it's actually about excluding intuition and experience? I think quite a lot of grant applications are going to have to be rejected henceforth, but then, how shall we decide what to observe next?
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- eli_gottlieb 12y ago
  It certainly was invented by PhD students in AI.
123testaccount 12y ago
Well, someone had to sit down and do a lot of thinking about how to rank relevant search results from a huge set of data. So it seems to me that philosophers and computer scientists share some key behaviors. Based on your own theory of shared behavior, computer scientists are philosophers. Therefore, quite a bit of philosophy was required for google search.

How much "philosophy" was necessary for us to achieve the google search?

dominotw 12y ago

Are you implying that google search is somehow AI?

blackopal 12y ago
Google search can perform human-like behavior. If two things have the same behavior, can one have "consciousness" and the other not?
- karmacondon 12y ago
  Coincidentally we were just discussing the Chinese Room [0] on IRC. It's a philosophical debate, but the short version is No, a google search isn't conscious. It's AI, or machine learning, but it isn't self aware. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
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- dominotw 12y ago
  >Google search can perform human-like behavior. So can my toaster. I don't think my toaster has consciousness.
  - blackopal 12y ago
    Then you're not operating scientifically. You have reasons not based on perception for believing something.
    - sgt101 12y ago
      Is logic perception? Famously (I have to take them at their word) Quantum Physics describes behaviours which require the mathematician to abandon perception and manipulate the formula "blindly". Should we disbelieve them? Also I thought science was (formally) the creation of beliefs based on falsifiable hypothesis supported by evidence? When did the news come that it's actually about excluding intuition and experience? I think quite a lot of grant applications are going to have to be rejected henceforth, but then, how shall we decide what to observe next?
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eli_gottlieb 12y ago
It certainly was invented by PhD students in AI.

123testaccount 12y ago

Well, someone had to sit down and do a lot of thinking about how to rank relevant search results from a huge set of data. So it seems to me that philosophers and computer scientists share some key behaviors. Based on your own theory of shared behavior, computer scientists are philosophers. Therefore, quite a bit of philosophy was required for google search.