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"...scores of young people, mostly male (70%) mostly white (61%), produced by the same set of top universities..." I guess he just described e.g. French CEOs a

by CmonDev 12y ago

"...scores of young people, mostly male (70%) mostly white (61%), produced by the same set of top universities..." I guess he just described e.g. French CEOs and traders as well. But if techies are doing this, then it's suddenly so wrong.

joelrunyon 12y ago
You missed the point. French CEOs aren't in charge of creating products. Neither are traders. If you're dependent on creating products that people love with features that help people in their day-to-day lives, you can't afford to be completely insulated. A trader who is focused on a numbers all day - can.
- privong 12y ago
  > If you're dependent on creating products that people love with features that help people in their day-to-day lives, you can't afford to be completely insulated. > A trader who is focused on a numbers all day - can. Though I agree that insular corporate cultures can be bad, I do not find this argument very compelling. I thought part of Google's operations was turning things into numbers so they can make decisions based on those numbers. Yes, in practical terms, the features of Google products are what is important. But with a huge user base, they can afford to do A/B testing, try new features, etc. and turn it all those things into numbers which can be analyzed for trends. I suspect that is what they are doing when they kill things like their RSS reader, modify Google+ requirements, etc. Edit: tweaked working
- CmonDev 12y ago
  I just wanted to say that top careers are limited to specific people same way across different industries, and IT is not the worst case at all. You have to graduate from specific places and have a specific background. It's a general problem.
  - ripb 12y ago
    >You have to graduate from specific places and have a specific background. It's a general problem. It's only a problem if you believe that these places are being favoured over others with merit being thrown to the way side, and I'd be interested to see any evidence of such a thing.
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- raldi 12y ago
  Does Apple not excel at that mission? What are their demographics like?
gman129 12y ago
This is particularly annoying because it would appear from that statement that google is sexists and racist. Start with 'mostly male' anyone and everyone in the tech world knows that most software engineers are male. So whats google to do hire many more female engineers who are less qualified just so they have equal female representation?! Regarding the white part 61% is less then the overall us white population representation (63%), so what exactly is the issue here?

by CmonDev 12y ago

joelrunyon 12y ago

You missed the point. French CEOs aren't in charge of creating products. Neither are traders. If you're dependent on creating products that people love with features that help people in their day-to-day lives, you can't afford to be completely insulated. A trader who is focused on a numbers all day - can.

privong 12y ago
> If you're dependent on creating products that people love with features that help people in their day-to-day lives, you can't afford to be completely insulated. > A trader who is focused on a numbers all day - can. Though I agree that insular corporate cultures can be bad, I do not find this argument very compelling. I thought part of Google's operations was turning things into numbers so they can make decisions based on those numbers. Yes, in practical terms, the features of Google products are what is important. But with a huge user base, they can afford to do A/B testing, try new features, etc. and turn it all those things into numbers which can be analyzed for trends. I suspect that is what they are doing when they kill things like their RSS reader, modify Google+ requirements, etc. Edit: tweaked working
CmonDev 12y ago
I just wanted to say that top careers are limited to specific people same way across different industries, and IT is not the worst case at all. You have to graduate from specific places and have a specific background. It's a general problem.
- ripb 12y ago
  >You have to graduate from specific places and have a specific background. It's a general problem. It's only a problem if you believe that these places are being favoured over others with merit being thrown to the way side, and I'd be interested to see any evidence of such a thing.
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raldi 12y ago
Does Apple not excel at that mission? What are their demographics like?

gman129 12y ago

This is particularly annoying because it would appear from that statement that google is sexists and racist. Start with 'mostly male' anyone and everyone in the tech world knows that most software engineers are male. So whats google to do hire many more female engineers who are less qualified just so they have equal female representation?! Regarding the white part 61% is less then the overall us white population representation (63%), so what exactly is the issue here?