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I feel like a lot of posts on this topic are overly-self-critical, but many of the points here are solid. I'm slightly in disagreement about the comment on Adm

I feel like a lot of posts on this topic are overly-self-critical, but many of the points here are solid. I'm slightly in disagreement about the comment on Admiral Hopper's little hat, cuz it really is a funny little hat. That has nothing to do with her being a woman, it would be a funny little hat on a man too. But I can still see where there's no benefit to anyone in saying anything potentially belittling about Ms. Hopper. As for that chart itself, I can't help but notice that big drop in the early 00s, during the post dotcom bust. It just sticks out so obviously. A similar decline after 80s boom. I do think what's going on here is more complicated than video games and male laughter. There's pretty clearly an economic component as well. It could be sexism plays a role on that side too. What if women are less likely to be hired in downturns? More digging is needed. I don't feel like the core of the answer has been found yet.

dllthomas 12y ago
"I'm slightly in disagreement about the comment on Admiral Hopper's little hat, cuz it really is a funny little hat. That has nothing to do with her being a woman, it would be a funny little hat on a man too. But I can still see where there's no benefit to anyone in saying anything potentially belittling about Ms. Hopper." If she was a man, I believe she'd have been wearing this hat: http://www.uniforms-4u.com/productimages/3175/big-u-complete-us-navy-admiral-uniform-3487.jpg http://www.uniforms-4u.com/productimages/3175/big-u-complete... Is that also a "funny little hat"?
- waterlesscloud 12y ago
  If she was wearing a different hat, she wouldn't have been wearing the funny little one, which remains a funny little hat whoever wears it. As I pointed out. This has nothing to do with any other hat.
  - lesterbuck 12y ago
    It has everything to do with it being a funny hat. The power structure had decided that women wore low power clothes, and the men wore high power clothes. So we can snicker at their clothes, even if they were an admiral. For example, waiters wear those funny aprons or other uniforms. Because that way you can tell who is serving the meal and who is buying the meal. As an aside, in today's U.S. Navy, the clothing is somewhat less important. My cousin was recently promoted to two star, and the ceremony was performed by the Chief of Naval Operations. He hung around for chatting afterwards and I couldn't help myself. I asked why my cousin had more medals on his chest than he did. CNO gave a great reply (he was a submariner, fewer chances for medals) and we agreed that the rigid linking of number of medals to rank has been relaxed in the modern military.
throwawayaway 12y ago
That big dip starts 3.5 years after the dotcom bust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble#mediaviewer/File:Nasdaq2.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble#mediaviewer/Fil...
- waterlesscloud 12y ago
  Yeah, so it matches with the lag of people already in the degree programs.

dllthomas 12y ago

"I'm slightly in disagreement about the comment on Admiral Hopper's little hat, cuz it really is a funny little hat. That has nothing to do with her being a woman, it would be a funny little hat on a man too. But I can still see where there's no benefit to anyone in saying anything potentially belittling about Ms. Hopper." If she was a man, I believe she'd have been wearing this hat: http://www.uniforms-4u.com/productimages/3175/big-u-complete-us-navy-admiral-uniform-3487.jpg http://www.uniforms-4u.com/productimages/3175/big-u-complete... Is that also a "funny little hat"?

waterlesscloud 12y ago
If she was wearing a different hat, she wouldn't have been wearing the funny little one, which remains a funny little hat whoever wears it. As I pointed out. This has nothing to do with any other hat.
- lesterbuck 12y ago
  It has everything to do with it being a funny hat. The power structure had decided that women wore low power clothes, and the men wore high power clothes. So we can snicker at their clothes, even if they were an admiral. For example, waiters wear those funny aprons or other uniforms. Because that way you can tell who is serving the meal and who is buying the meal. As an aside, in today's U.S. Navy, the clothing is somewhat less important. My cousin was recently promoted to two star, and the ceremony was performed by the Chief of Naval Operations. He hung around for chatting afterwards and I couldn't help myself. I asked why my cousin had more medals on his chest than he did. CNO gave a great reply (he was a submariner, fewer chances for medals) and we agreed that the rigid linking of number of medals to rank has been relaxed in the modern military.

throwawayaway 12y ago

That big dip starts 3.5 years after the dotcom bust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble#mediaviewer/File:Nasdaq2.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble#mediaviewer/Fil...

waterlesscloud 12y ago
Yeah, so it matches with the lag of people already in the degree programs.